Best rider of the decade (2010/2020): we're half way...

8/27/2015 4:41am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2015 9:28am
Since we're in 2015, and we've done half of this 2010/2020 decade, I decided to do some stats. I add every points each rider have gain (SX/MX) since 2010 from now, and in 2020, the one who'll have scored the most points could be named the best rider of the decade.

But at the half of this decade, we've got one rider that have a massive advantage with that point system: Ryan Dungey scored 5190 points since 2010. Believe me, that's huge...

I think the second rider who've scored the most points will surprise you. His name is Justin Barcia with 3230 points! But it could well change next year because Eli Tomac is only 94 points back of Barcia and could take 2nd place in 2016.

Another big (and I said BIG) surprise is that the 4th rider who've scored the most points since 2010 is... Blake Baggett!
He scored a total of 2972 that edge out Ken Roczen's 2913 points!

Ryan Villopoto (who's been dominant at times) is in 6th position with 2755 points. I would have imagine that he would be higher than that, but he has only race in 8 out of 12 championships since 2010.

After Villopoto, the top 10 is completed by Andrew Short (2701), Trey Canard (2478), Marvin Musquin (!) (2471) and Broc Tickle (!!) (2394).

As for the legends, Chad Reed is 11th with 2180 points and James Stewart is only in 17th position with 1650. James better watch out too, because he is only separated by 4 points from 18th position Jeremy Martin's 1646 points.


I did the same thing for the GP guys and no surprise there with Antonio Cairoli being 1st with 3837 points ahead of Jeffrey Herlings with 3494 points. Clement Desalle has been consistent and this stat prove it again: he's third with 3078 points, followed by Paulin (2708 points). Jeremy Van Horebeek complete the podium with 2466 points. 6th position is quite surprising though, because Frenchman Jordi Tixier (2263pts) stand ahead of Max Nagl (2162), Tommy Searle (2041) and Kevin Strijbos (2013). As for MXGP current points leader Romain Febvre, he only stand in 14th position with 1659 points.
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8/27/2015 4:50am
If we're talking stats - Dungey with Ease. On Paper, what a fucking machine. (And thats coming from a Non-supporter)

If we're talking in 2020 and someone ask me "In the last 20 years, who was the best",

I'd say Villo. (Of course, someone can be more dominate and solidifying than he was by then.)
8/27/2015 4:55am
I think that Jeremy Martin and Cooper Webb can climb the ladder and stand in the top 5 or top 3 in 5 years.

And if I add the points Ken Roczen gain in the GP's and in the USA since 2010, he would stand in second position with 4138 points.
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8/27/2015 5:05am Edited Date/Time 8/27/2015 5:06am
I'd count the number of wins rather than points. i m not saying podiums or points in general are not relevant but if i call somene the best than i only consider wins or championships.

interesting stats though. bb4 is really a surprise.
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8/27/2015 5:11am
Dungey will only make this more of a landslide in the upcoming years

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51xc wrote:
I'd count the number of wins rather than points. i m not saying podiums or points in general are not relevant but if i call somene...
I'd count the number of wins rather than points. i m not saying podiums or points in general are not relevant but if i call somene the best than i only consider wins or championships.

interesting stats though. bb4 is really a surprise.
True. RV > Barcia, Tomac, Baggett. For the time being anyway....
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Dungey will only make this more of a landslide in the upcoming years
could well be unless he chooses to retire early than the likes of tomac and roczen will get close to that.
8/27/2015 5:23am Edited Date/Time 8/27/2015 5:28am
I did count the number of wins and podiums of the riders from both side of the pond since 2004. I did just count the guys that have ride at least once this year (I didn't count Ricky Carmichael and Stefan Everts for example).

In the USA, the guy that have the biggest amount of win since 2004 is Ryan Villopoto with 134 wins and the second rider is James Stewart 123 wins. It could change next year though because they're closely followed by Ryan Dungey and his 111 wins. They're above the rest of the field because Chad Reed is 4th with 48 wins but he'll probably lose this place next year because Eli Tomac got 46 wins. And that's 16 more than 6th place Ken Roczen. Pourcel is in 7th with 28 wins ahead of Trey Canard (26 wins) and Justin Barcia (25 wins). Then Marvin Musquin (24), Blake Baggett (22) and Jeremy Martin (21)

As for podiums, again a big domination from Ryan Dungey who got 268 podiums. Villopoto come second with 199, that gives you a 69 podiums difference, that's huge...
Chad Reed is third with 188 ahead of James Stewart's 185...
Then there's Roczen with 111 and Eli with 103. Ken already passed the 100 mark at 21 years old, that is remarkable.

As for the GP guys, Cairoli has the record of wins with 134 (same as Villopoto) ahead of Herlings with 75... You want a big surprise ? Ken Roczen is third with 31 wins ahead of Clement Desalle with 28 and... Marvin Musquin with 27. Then comes Nagl (26), Rattray and Paulin (22 each).

As for prodiums, no big surprise with the front 3 Cairoli (223), Herlings (111) and Desalle (100). Rattray and Philipearts are in the top five with 74 and 70. That put them ahead of Germany's Max Nagl (64) and Ken Roczen (60).

Oh and yeah, Cairoli seems looks even more unbeatable than Dungey here, but AC will probably stop this unbelievable performance sooner than Ryan...
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8/27/2015 5:24am
I can't get past the fact that RV only had "12" 450 overalls in 6 years... Tired of hearing excuses because of injuries...
Was it's the bikes fault he got injured? I never saw the defective recall on the KX 450...
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8/27/2015 5:29am
12 450 wins or not championships give status!
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8/27/2015 5:50am
I thought Uncle of 2 already tried this discussion.
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pretty cool stuff.
it will be hard for anyone to get to rv's, js7's and dungey's amount of wins with the depth of field we have nowadays.
8/27/2015 7:26am
Since his debut as a pro, Roczen has benn on the podium 171 times. That's huge for a 21 years old. He's 97 out of Dungey, but believe he can podium more than that within 3-4 years. I believe that when he'll be 25 like the Dunge, he could have ever more podium than RD today.
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8/27/2015 7:33am
Thats what I hate. Nobody gives a crap about 2nd place, and in alot of cases the guy was 2 points behind. Its championship or nothing. They should score it like baseball. I say points tell the real tale, especially in an era like dungey had with villo, he was one click back, but fought so hard and got no recognition for it. I mean none. Two or three years ago, he was coming in second every race to RV and got beat up on this board big time. Or at least points earned on the podium or something.
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51xc wrote:
I'd count the number of wins rather than points. i m not saying podiums or points in general are not relevant but if i call somene...
I'd count the number of wins rather than points. i m not saying podiums or points in general are not relevant but if i call somene the best than i only consider wins or championships.

interesting stats though. bb4 is really a surprise.
But how do champions win championships? By winning the most races or gaining the most points?
The OP has suggested a decade long championship and one rider clearly stands above the rest.
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8/27/2015 8:03am
This is very interesting, I have never liked how so many motocross fans seem to only focus on the win and that's it! I understand that it is a very small and individual based sport, but it seems like second place is looked upon as a looser when most other sports recognise more of the talent. These numbers really show how consistently good Dungey has been, and how dominant RV was when he wasn't injured!! Great post!
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8/27/2015 8:18am
Cool stats.
67% of RV2's and Herlings' podiums were 1st places. Sick.
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I think the best rider of the decade so far is Cairoli. He's won a title every year up until now. By the end of the decade he could be surpassed by Herlings, Dungey, Roczen maybe
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8/27/2015 9:25am
Cool idea for a stat. Thanks for posting it up. I know you can slice this a million ways, but I was impressed with Shorty's stat...7th in the decade, all of which came in the 450 class (not regional 250 SX). If you look at it from that angle, only Dungey and RV have more points in 450 class since 2010!

*2 disclaimers: 1) Yes, I'm an Andrew Short fan; 2) No, this isn't really my first post. I couldn't remember my old info...frequent visitor, infrequent poster.
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8/27/2015 9:25am
Villopoto dominated for a few years but RD has the longetivity thing going for him
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8/27/2015 10:20am
Dungey without a doubt. Here's my reasoning. On paper he's the best, and his dominance really started right in 2010. 2019 is the end of the decade and I could see him riding up until '17 or '18 easily. Some of villopoto's dominance was in the last decade. His 250 wins and his MXdN dominance. No doubt that poto is faster, but this is Dungey's decade for sure.
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What I find interesting with RV, is that after he completed his lites career, (1 SX Championship, 3 MX Championships). It was quite obvious that he was much better at MX than SX, even his first year of SX was quite average, while his first MX race was quite phenomenal (which then lead to knee surgery from training) The records will not show just how dominate he was on an AMA MX track, only 12 450 MX wins. I remember him doing an interview before his first 450 race at GH in 09, the interviewer asked him why he was so good at MX, his answer, I just hold it on longer than everybody else. Classic, perfectly describes his MX style.

Point of my rant, his best accomplishment in his career has to be his 4 straight SX titles, but what I am going to remember of RV, is his balls on the cross bar outdoor style. He was just so ferocious on an MX track, never got stuck behind anyone.
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bdub wrote:
What I find interesting with RV, is that after he completed his lites career, (1 SX Championship, 3 MX Championships). It was quite obvious that he...
What I find interesting with RV, is that after he completed his lites career, (1 SX Championship, 3 MX Championships). It was quite obvious that he was much better at MX than SX, even his first year of SX was quite average, while his first MX race was quite phenomenal (which then lead to knee surgery from training) The records will not show just how dominate he was on an AMA MX track, only 12 450 MX wins. I remember him doing an interview before his first 450 race at GH in 09, the interviewer asked him why he was so good at MX, his answer, I just hold it on longer than everybody else. Classic, perfectly describes his MX style.

Point of my rant, his best accomplishment in his career has to be his 4 straight SX titles, but what I am going to remember of RV, is his balls on the cross bar outdoor style. He was just so ferocious on an MX track, never got stuck behind anyone.
Heard that. It's going to be similar to guys describing Magoo or even Bradshaw to the current generation of young pups. But even more lost in translation because Villopoto was truly the fastest guy on an MX track at any given moment. When he was healthy, of course. We were all fortunate to have watched him.
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8/27/2015 11:19am
Romain Febvre.. Nobody knew who he was in 2010, nobody in the US knew who he was 4 months ago, but he has risen at an astonishing rate. Next 5 years will be awesome.
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I think that Jeremy Martin and Cooper Webb can climb the ladder and stand in the top 5 or top 3 in 5 years. And if...
I think that Jeremy Martin and Cooper Webb can climb the ladder and stand in the top 5 or top 3 in 5 years.

And if I add the points Ken Roczen gain in the GP's and in the USA since 2010, he would stand in second position with 4138 points.
Dude this thread is full of impressive calculating and we appreciate the time and effort. Wish I knew you when I had statistics in college.......
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8/27/2015 12:46pm
rider? James Stewart no fuckin' doubt

racer? this one's tough... I'd say Villopoto, but it's very very hard to not say Dungey. the euro's are all over the fuckin' place so can't say any of them, maybe Cairoli if you were to say a euro.
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rider? James Stewart no fuckin' doubt racer? this one's tough... I'd say Villopoto, but it's very very hard to not say Dungey. the euro's are all...
rider? James Stewart no fuckin' doubt

racer? this one's tough... I'd say Villopoto, but it's very very hard to not say Dungey. the euro's are all over the fuckin' place so can't say any of them, maybe Cairoli if you were to say a euro.
Does Bubba even have that much seat time since '10?

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