Best of the 250 2 strokes - pics of purchase

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Edited Date/Time 12/30/2014 4:54pm
So finally sold the thumper after a long time on the market and looking to grab a 250 smoker.

Can anyone give me a quick run down on the best of the models to look for? I know a few well enough, but a few brands really unsure of:

Yamaha - 06+ YZ250
Suzuki - 04+ RM250
Kawasaki - ??? Not sure, I saw in an MXA article Jody rated the last of the (06,07) KX250 as one of the worst bikes he ever rode
Honda - ??? Again not sure, believe they had great handling and build quality, but perhaps a hit or miss engine depending on year?
KTM - ??? Not sure I would buy an older KTM anyway, but good for reference. Would assume a linkage model would be the pick?

Not particularly brand loyal, so planning on buying best condition/value for money.
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12/11/2014 2:45pm
Bultaco Sherpa "S" or OSSA Andrews Replica
12/11/2014 3:57pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2014 4:04pm
Well I had an 05 kx 250 that was fully, fuly modified. And in its fully moded state it was awesome, awesome, awesome. Fastest bike I ever rode, and that includes my new crf 450 with exhaust, Cam, remap, lower gearing, and race gas. My kx would've eat it up in straight line acceleration. No doubt it was quick, quick, quick.
It also walked away from kx 450's too, yes it was that potent.
Put it to ya this way.. I holeshot 70% of my races on that kx.. ask anyone who watched me race over the last 4 yrs.
But it also took about 1 lap and I was toast.. very hard to hang on to..
But in stock trim it oversteared, understeared, had very little lowend, but a really good mid-top, and soft suspension that spiked in the midstroke and bottomed harshly at the same time.
The ergoes were awsome and it felt really light.
It took nearly $9000, but I transformed it into a top level semi pro bike. The end result was truly awesome.. wish I never sold it.
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12/11/2014 4:15pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2014 4:16pm
As far as the CR goes the 00-01 are good, but the last generation has a better frame. I know the 05-07 CR250 are sought after, the 02-03 are the slowest, and I'm not sure about the 04.

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12/11/2014 5:22pm
I also want to know the DL on newer two strokes. Possibly wanting to sell my YZF
I would say, from everything I've read, if your an expert and up racer, buy a newer KTM.
If your like the other 90% of us, buy a newer yz 250.
If it were up to me, I'd buy the yz.
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12/11/2014 5:39pm
Can't go wrong with an 06-08 RM, the 04-05 are not too shabby either. Very reliable and nothing even comes close to cornering any better. The YZ is a great bike, so is the last generation Honda. Not a fan of the KX, but also not sure on it's reliability. KTM, not a fan. But they do come with great parts stock...suspension sucks. Haven't tried the new 4Cs though.
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12/11/2014 5:43pm
Can't go wrong with a 06 an up yz. Handle great, great suspension. Good motor.


How is getting parts for discontinued smokers? Not very fun I'm guessing?
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The kawi was my favorite...I hated the Yamaha
12/11/2014 5:46pm
Unless your an A rider they are all great bikes and if properly maintained/setup will give you lots of performance and fun.
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12/11/2014 5:48pm
BobPA wrote:
The kawi was my favorite...I hated the Yamaha
Never heard anyone say that.
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12/11/2014 5:59pm
There was a thread just like this not long ago, you might search that out. You're going to get a lot of duplicate info/opinion/fanboyism here.
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12/11/2014 6:00pm
Gringoe wrote:
Can't go wrong with a 06 an up yz. Handle great, great suspension. Good motor. How is getting parts for discontinued smokers? Not very fun I'm...
Can't go wrong with a 06 an up yz. Handle great, great suspension. Good motor.


How is getting parts for discontinued smokers? Not very fun I'm guessing?
I have a discontinued smoker and gettings parts is easier than you could possibly imagine. The shop doesn't stock a majority of stuff, but there's endless opportunities on eBay and Motosport.com
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I had a new honda cr250 every year from 01-05. I then had a 2006 yamahahaha yz250 and kept it for a while cause I wasn't so serious about riding anymore. Now I ride an '11 ktm250. So taking from that......
The cr's from 02-04 - you would be splitting hairs to notice any difference between them. You don't want anything older than that. in '05 they went to a single ring piston and I wasn't sold on the benefits of that. They all detonated so bad on pump gas it was scary. I always ran 50/50 race gas. That's the main reason I didn't go back to Rhonda- race gas is a pain in my ass and double the price since then.
The Yz is just a perfect bike. Ran on pump fine. Top ends were aok to back that up.
The Ktm has everything the yz motor has and more - tune it up or down in 5 minutes. No race gas. If you are a clutch abuser there's nothing like the hydraulic clutch - I don't think I could go back. Actually I did try going back on a friends bike, and lost a substantial amount of smoothness.
The forks suck, but they're fixable.
The reviews I read on the shock in '11 and '12 had minimal differences. So I went with no linkage to save myself some maintenance and 5lbs.
On the KTM you have to spend $$$ on forks. But on the yz, you will have to spend Atleast triple the amount to make it not look like the ugliest bike out there.
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12/11/2014 6:08pm
moco wrote:
I had a new honda cr250 every year from 01-05. I then had a 2006 yamahahaha yz250 and kept it for a while cause I wasn't...
I had a new honda cr250 every year from 01-05. I then had a 2006 yamahahaha yz250 and kept it for a while cause I wasn't so serious about riding anymore. Now I ride an '11 ktm250. So taking from that......
The cr's from 02-04 - you would be splitting hairs to notice any difference between them. You don't want anything older than that. in '05 they went to a single ring piston and I wasn't sold on the benefits of that. They all detonated so bad on pump gas it was scary. I always ran 50/50 race gas. That's the main reason I didn't go back to Rhonda- race gas is a pain in my ass and double the price since then.
The Yz is just a perfect bike. Ran on pump fine. Top ends were aok to back that up.
The Ktm has everything the yz motor has and more - tune it up or down in 5 minutes. No race gas. If you are a clutch abuser there's nothing like the hydraulic clutch - I don't think I could go back. Actually I did try going back on a friends bike, and lost a substantial amount of smoothness.
The forks suck, but they're fixable.
The reviews I read on the shock in '11 and '12 had minimal differences. So I went with no linkage to save myself some maintenance and 5lbs.
On the KTM you have to spend $$$ on forks. But on the yz, you will have to spend Atleast triple the amount to make it not look like the ugliest bike out there.
I will give you the nod there, my YZ ran on straight pump gas and I never noticed a thing. I rode the stock jetting in the 100 degree heat and the 30 degree winter. It probably could have benefited from jetting changes, but it ran well enough 365 days a year.

It's funny because I sold it because I was scared of maintenance, but looking back it was almost maintenance free. Still 100% glad I went to the CR.
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12/11/2014 8:20pm
After a year on my 2006 KX250 that was unridden when i picked it up I finally have it where I really really like it.

Stock the Motor flat out rips... its a Kawasaki so of course it does. I revalved the fork and sock with gold valves and did the procircuit link. I was running the Pro Circuit works pipe with stock silencer and it really comes alive earlier with a broader stronger mid range and good over run. I have the forks 7mm raised from the triple clamp to bottom of the fork cap and I finally... finally have the under steer from center out all but cured. I can pretty much put the thing where I want, rail the outside or dive to the inside and the midrange... oh the midrange bark in 3rd going off the lip of a big table is just awesome, no other bike sounds like it... and everyone stops buy the truck in the pits and asks me about it and compliments it.

that being said the 2006 - 2007 MXA test is spot on for the bike in stock form, but the best part is you get into the bike for 2000 to 3000 for a clean one and spend some extra coin to set it up and you are still under half what a new fooper costs!

12/11/2014 8:38pm
I build an 06 CR250R Honda and love it. Best handling bike I have ever ridden, set up the suspension (which is good), set the sag and this thing will rail turns, carve inside, lots of stability, pretty much do whatever you ask of her. The stock motor is the weak link but is easily fixed, my best mod was the addition of a keihin 38mm airstryker carb, no more blubbery hard to jet mikuni. An FMF pipe and silencer and V-force reeds and its in the ballpark. If you want to really fix it take 30 thousandth's off the base of the cylinder and redo the head for proper squish, this will be my last mod for this bike the next time I tear her down.

With that said I would look for a 06-or newer YZ250 if I had to do it again, Yamaha is still making the bike in nearly the same form and it works very well, also a very neutral handler with no real flaws, a great motor, and that magical SSS suspension.

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12/11/2014 8:39pm
Delta, Who did your KX250 motor work? What was done exactly?
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12/11/2014 9:14pm
BobPA wrote:
The kawi was my favorite...I hated the Yamaha
Gringoe wrote:
Never heard anyone say that.
I rode a bunch of them too, good engines...the bar to seat to footpeg position always felt totally wrong for me.
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12/11/2014 9:47pm
There is nothing wrong with steel 2000s yz250s
12/12/2014 12:18am
moco wrote:
I had a new honda cr250 every year from 01-05. I then had a 2006 yamahahaha yz250 and kept it for a while cause I wasn't...
I had a new honda cr250 every year from 01-05. I then had a 2006 yamahahaha yz250 and kept it for a while cause I wasn't so serious about riding anymore. Now I ride an '11 ktm250. So taking from that......
The cr's from 02-04 - you would be splitting hairs to notice any difference between them. You don't want anything older than that. in '05 they went to a single ring piston and I wasn't sold on the benefits of that. They all detonated so bad on pump gas it was scary. I always ran 50/50 race gas. That's the main reason I didn't go back to Rhonda- race gas is a pain in my ass and double the price since then.
The Yz is just a perfect bike. Ran on pump fine. Top ends were aok to back that up.
The Ktm has everything the yz motor has and more - tune it up or down in 5 minutes. No race gas. If you are a clutch abuser there's nothing like the hydraulic clutch - I don't think I could go back. Actually I did try going back on a friends bike, and lost a substantial amount of smoothness.
The forks suck, but they're fixable.
The reviews I read on the shock in '11 and '12 had minimal differences. So I went with no linkage to save myself some maintenance and 5lbs.
On the KTM you have to spend $$$ on forks. But on the yz, you will have to spend Atleast triple the amount to make it not look like the ugliest bike out there.
05 cr 250 single ring piston....really?? I had an 00 and 02 and they never missed a beat. I am looking at an 07 but single ring piston sounds stupid. must have done 500hrs on the 00 not 1 issue.
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12/12/2014 1:45am
Unless your an A rider they are all great bikes and if properly maintained/setup will give you lots of performance and fun.
Yep look for the latest model, in the best condition, for the best price, and work it from there,

will end up costing near enough the same.
12/12/2014 2:26am
Joko wrote:
Delta, Who did your KX250 motor work? What was done exactly?
Thanks
Eric Goore... Port/polish, p. v mod, cut for race gas.
Finishline Racing... Isotopic gear polishing, complete bottom end rebuild.
Told Mr, Goore i wanted the mo/betta, but i actually think he gave me the mid-top by the way the bike ran..
Pro Circuit pipe/silencer.. V-force, lower gearing, full Hinson.
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enketchum wrote:
There is nothing wrong with steel 2000s yz250s
Yeah if you at least get a 2003. Put on SSS forks, Honda front brake master cylinder, and swap out the swingarm.
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12/12/2014 5:34am Edited Date/Time 12/12/2014 5:46am
BobPA wrote:
The kawi was my favorite...I hated the Yamaha
Gringoe wrote:
Never heard anyone say that.
2003 KX250 is my favorite bike. Had one for a while and loved it. Just picked up another one for a frame up rebuild. I never liked the Yamaha's either, had a 2006 YZ250 and a 2003 YZ250 and I couldn't get used to the ergo's....I will say I liked the 2003 YZ better than the 2006. The chassis was alot more forgiving. Loved my 2004 CR250 too. All the 250t's are fun bikes..it's all personal prefrence.
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12/12/2014 5:39am
2004 KX250... Engine rips.. Reminds me of my old 2001 CR250.
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12/12/2014 8:07am
I have a 07 CR250. The chassis is amazing, better than my 2012 CRF450 by a good bit. The Showa suspension is also great right out of the box with some clicker-ing adding rebound dampening. Amazing bottoming resistance without being rock hard in the mid stroke. The motor is the only downfall. It has a big hit in the middle and signs off quick. Lots of work to keep in the power. The chassis is so amazing the motor isn't a deal breaker. It can be fixed easier than a poor chassis.

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12/12/2014 8:09am
Joko wrote:
Delta, Who did your KX250 motor work? What was done exactly?
Thanks
Eric Goore... Port/polish, p. v mod, cut for race gas. Finishline Racing... Isotopic gear polishing, complete bottom end rebuild. Told Mr, Goore i wanted the mo/betta...
Eric Goore... Port/polish, p. v mod, cut for race gas.
Finishline Racing... Isotopic gear polishing, complete bottom end rebuild.
Told Mr, Goore i wanted the mo/betta, but i actually think he gave me the mid-top by the way the bike ran..
Pro Circuit pipe/silencer.. V-force, lower gearing, full Hinson.
I had an 06 done by Gorr for mid top. That thing hauled serious ass. I've had yz's and an RM since and neither of those bikes were even close.
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12/12/2014 8:23am
Deetsmx wrote:
I had an 06 done by Gorr for mid top. That thing hauled serious ass. I've had yz's and an RM since and neither of those...
I had an 06 done by Gorr for mid top. That thing hauled serious ass. I've had yz's and an RM since and neither of those bikes were even close.
Whats your fix for the power valve spring? I hear they break a lot on the KX250's.

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