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Best 4-stroke and Best 2-stroke

burn1986

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9/15/2011 12:48 PM

Okay, what would you consider the best 4-stroke and 2-stroke ever built:

4-stroke: 2006 KX450F
2-stroke: 1986 CR125

There, I'm done.

mxb2

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9/15/2011 12:50 PM

2008 crf 450 or 2011 rmz 450, 2 stroke ktm 150sx,2006 rm 250 or yz 250.

chrisbuehler

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9/15/2011 12:55 PM

burn1986 wrote: Okay, what would you consider the best 4-stroke and 2-stroke ever built:

4-stroke: 2006 KX450F
2-stroke: 1986 CR125

There, I'm done.

2006 KX450? 2008 CRF450 baby. And 1992 CR125, stock motor was a beast

burn1986

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9/15/2011 1:28 PM
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chrisbuehler wrote: 2006 KX450? 2008 CRF450 baby. And 1992 CR125, stock motor was a beast

A 2006 KX450F was the only 450 I've ridden and it was a totally cool bike. It felt slower than my CR, and was amazingly easy to ride. All Cr125s from 84 to 97 were the baddest 125s I've ridden, but I had 2 86 CRs, so I'm kind of partial. I would say the best CR250 motor would be a choice between the 91 and the 99 IMO.

bish153

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9/15/2011 1:35 PM

1996 kx 125
2006-current yz 250 (kyb sss)
2011 yz450f

Dirtysmile56

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9/15/2011 1:41 PM

I had 86,87,88,89,90, 91 and 92 Cr125's I loved everyone of them. I did jump on a buddies 86 CR 125 in about 91 and it did feel like a beast. My 2006 CRF 450 was pretty badass I had no complaints except that I crashed and it crushed the entire left side of my body. But I geuss end of the day Elsinore dirt was partially to blame for that.

Patrick Trowbridge

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9/15/2011 1:42 PM

Since I'm a small bore lover, for the 4 stroke I'd have to go with a scatterbomb 250F, just not sure which one as I'll probably never buy another one. To me, they fit that perfect bike category (obviously we are throwing reliability out the window here) in between a 125 and 250 2 stroke.

Then along comes the KTM150. Most fun bike on the planet.

When some of you mention older bikes, it brings up the 1987 CR250 that the magazines still rave about. I have one and while it is a pretty nice bike, it definitely does not hold a candle to todays offerings. At the time though it was way ahead of the others.

kaboom645

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9/15/2011 1:43 PM

The best 2 stroke I ever rode was a 99 YZ125 I borrowed from Todd Gardner after my Kx125 blew up in practice. What I didnt know was the bike had a 167 kit installed. Holy shit, that bike ran harder and pulled longer than any bike I had ever rode up to that point in my life. After the first moto on it, I had a huge shit eating grin, and walked over to ask Todd who did the port work on the engine, b/c I had to have an engine like that. It was then that he informed me that it was a 167..

The best 4 stroke..hmm well every one that I owned brought massive fail
The 02 Vertimati C501 I was sponsored blew up religously at the 15min mark of running time.
The sponsored 03 YZ250F.. It blew up about every 6 weeks on average.
09 YZ450.. blew up on the 3rd ride. catstrophic engine failure and yamaha refused to stand behind it
I did ride an 11 CRF450 though that was pretty awesome for a 4 stroke. It was good enough that it has me considering buying one, since they can be found new right now heavily discounted(and actually cheaper than a new KTM 2 stroke). When it blows up I will just do a 500af conversion to it

If I wanted to ride a 4stroke, I would stay home and mow the lawn

burn1986

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9/15/2011 1:44 PM

Oh if I bought another bike right now, it would be a 150SX. There is no better bike IMO.

Ross_Miller

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9/15/2011 1:55 PM

2008 Honda CRF450R and 2011 KTM 150SX way different bikes but both in my arsenal and the 150 always gives me a smile.
Now the 150 gets way more workouts too....

PRM31

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9/15/2011 2:40 PM

Best bike I ever owned for its time was an '81 RM-125. Light years better than the '80. Can't speak to the 4-strokes.

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9/15/2011 5:13 PM

Two-Stroke - tie : 2012 TM300MX italian hand built like a ferarri or 1981 Maico 490

Fooper - 1986 XR250R, you could sink it in a lake and not change the oil for 5 years, and it would still start on the first kick.

Bruce372

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9/15/2011 5:26 PM

1987 CR250 or 2005rm250

ive only had one thumper, 09 rmz450.....sounds like the 11 has all the bugs fixed

ive had two rm144s, but i'd like to try a ktm150

rg4

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9/16/2011 8:06 AM

Best four stroke.......... XR200.
Best two stroke.......... 1983 CR480R.

Crush

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9/16/2011 8:10 AM

2011 RMZ 450 and 2012 KTM250SX or 150SX... AMAZING

Cheers,

Crush

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9/16/2011 9:13 AM

Best 4 strokes? hmmm... 2012 Kawasaki KX250F or 450F
best 2 stroke, small bore KTM 150SX, big bore i think the newer yami's are easier to ride then the ktm 250sx.
KTM 300 is a fun trail bike with a heavy flywheel on it.

Personal fav to ride though is either of the Kawasaki's

ML512

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9/16/2011 9:14 AM

Ohh and lets keep this civil

indy_maico

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9/16/2011 9:50 AM

For sure best ever 2-stroke is a 1981 490 Maico.

Chuck Sun went 4-3 last week-end in the over-50 pro class at Glen Helen against a field of new 450 4-strokes.

'nuff said!



http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/REM-GLEN-HELEN-MOTOCROSS-RACE-REPORT-CHUCK-SUN-TAK-8280.aspx

“If I remember how this worked, you’d put a side on, and then you’d go and have something to eat, and then you’d put another side on.” … Mick Jagger

rg4

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9/16/2011 10:03 AM

indy_maico wrote: For sure best ever 2-stroke is a 1981 490 Maico.

Chuck Sun went 4-3 last week-end in the over-50 pro class at Glen Helen against a field of new 450 4-strokes.

'nuff said!



http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/REM-GLEN-HELEN-MOTOCROSS-RACE-REPORT-CHUCK-SUN-TAK-8280.aspx

LOL. Was gonna say the 81 Maico 490. But I'm partial to the 83 480 because its been so reliable and such a good bike for so many years for us. Just like the trusty XR200.

PaleBlue

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9/16/2011 10:23 AM

2T - The current TM250. Less power than the 300 , but more instant ZIP. Scary fast and super specc'ed. Love our 2009.

4T - Hate to admit it but the current KTM 250F GP bike is probably as good as it gets.

E.A.S.S.C. - as fun as it gets.............

ricko

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9/16/2011 10:27 AM

burn1986 wrote: Okay, what would you consider the best 4-stroke and 2-stroke ever built:

4-stroke: 2006 KX450F
2-stroke: 1986 CR125

There, I'm done.

chrisbuehler wrote: 2006 KX450? 2008 CRF450 baby. And 1992 CR125, stock motor was a beast

burn1986 wrote: A 2006 KX450F was the only 450 I've ridden and it was a totally cool bike. It felt slower than my CR, and was amazingly easy to ride. All Cr125s from 84 to 97 were the baddest 125s I've ridden, but I had 2 86 CRs, so I'm kind of partial. I would say the best CR250 motor would be a choice between the 91 and the 99 IMO.

The 06 KX450 had a 4-speed tranny, your riding style must of liked that.

nickm

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9/16/2011 10:44 AM

I like my 89 CR500...real two strokes don't need power valves

Hut

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9/16/2011 10:51 AM

My favorite 2 strokes are;
1985 CR500
2007 CR250

hondaracer664

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9/16/2011 11:10 AM

My favorites:

2011 Kawi 450

2006 YZ250 smoker

bd

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9/16/2011 11:48 AM

4 Stroke: Never owned one

2 Stroke: 2006 YZ 125 and 250. My YZ 125 kills my CR 125

bd

rg4

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9/16/2011 2:36 PM

nickm wrote: I like my 89 CR500...real two strokes don't need power valves

Was also thinking the KX500 deserves to be on the 2 stroke list. Won four MX championsips under Ward, Kiedrowski and LaRocco. And, the mighty KX500 dominated the Baja 1000 from 1988-1996. Then it was dethroned by the XR600.

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9/16/2011 3:09 PM

nickm wrote: I like my 89 CR500...real two strokes don't need power valves

rg4 wrote: Was also thinking the KX500 deserves to be on the 2 stroke list. Won four MX championsips under Ward, Kiedrowski and LaRocco. And, the mighty KX500 dominated the Baja 1000 from 1988-1996. Then it was dethroned by the XR600.

Wardy on the KX500s from 86-89 was legendary. I agree they are impressive machines. Wish they still made them.

Also agree the Baja dominance will be tough to beat...they were the top bike for what seemed like forever.

I like my CR500, but I sure would like a mint 86 KX500.

sozo

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9/16/2011 3:10 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/16/2011 3:12 PM

indy_maico wrote: For sure best ever 2-stroke is a 1981 490 Maico.

Chuck Sun went 4-3 last week-end in the over-50 pro class at Glen Helen against a field of new 450 4-strokes.

'nuff said!



http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/REM-GLEN-HELEN-MOTOCROSS-RACE-REPORT-CHUCK-SUN-TAK-8280.aspx

YUP, i owned it when I was 15.... so sick, turned better then any bike i have ever ridden, could drift the rear as a noob at 15 years old and power was like time warp to say the least... When people say how did I get those popeye forarms... I show them that bike picture... hehe

rg4

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9/16/2011 3:25 PM
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indy_maico wrote: For sure best ever 2-stroke is a 1981 490 Maico.

Chuck Sun went 4-3 last week-end in the over-50 pro class at Glen Helen against a field of new 450 4-strokes.

'nuff said!



http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/REM-GLEN-HELEN-MOTOCROSS-RACE-REPORT-CHUCK-SUN-TAK-8280.aspx

sozo wrote: YUP, i owned it when I was 15.... so sick, turned better then any bike i have ever ridden, could drift the rear as a noob at 15 years old and power was like time warp to say the least... When people say how did I get those popeye forarms... I show them that bike picture... hehe

A few years back at Washougal a guy in the over-50 class was racing a Maico 490. He was racing against all modern bikes and was in mid-pack. He was slowest in the whoops. A testiment to how good those Maico 490's are.

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9/16/2011 4:45 PM

2 stroke 2002-2011 YZ250 is a awesome bike.

4 Stroke - My 2005 CRF450 was a fantastic bike in every way.

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