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Sink a shit load of money in a Briggs & Statton 4 cycle, alcohol & everything else
Instead of running a ported Yamaha KT100 2 cycle Kart Motor ...
Have you ever ridden/owned a 250f?
They are not slow compared to a 125 that they were designed to compete against.
My 125 required more maintenance then my 250f.and blew up many more times...
I think you 2 stroke nuts just read each other's common misconceptions off the internet and claim them to be true.
I'd think that the use "slow" and "unreliable" are more than fair. Compared to a 250 2-stroke a stock 250F is slow, and modified to try to compete they are unreliable.
I've ridden a 250F but never owned one. I already own a slow bike, it's a 144 2-stroke and it weighs under 200lbs, like a slow bike should.
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bringing up the 4T lifespan is still valid. when you have an engine that looks like a f'kin grandfather clock inside, im sure you want to get your use out of it then sell it ASAP to some unlucky person who will take the damage on it. why? because it cost more to repair than the bike is worth half of the time on a used bike.
250 two strokes are slow compared to 450's, so I do not see where you are coming from? 250f's were not designed to compete against 250 two strokes...But I bet most of the guys on here would have faster and more consistent lap times on a 250f.
want some proof? get on craigslist and look at parted out bikes for sale.
thats the nature of the beast dealing with cams, valves, and 500 other parts a 2T doesnt have.
operate a "2 stroke other then a chainsaw or weedeater...
2 friends 4T bikes down right now due to not having funds to fix them. i however, put a brand new 300 SXS complete top end on my bike for 600$ in less than 3hrs.
Now obviously if you get two stock bikes one 250f and one 250 2T, in the power stakes a 250 2T will win all day. If you tip a Bullshit amount of money into both engines you'll get the same result, I'm not sure how much power a factory team 250f puts out but I'm sure it would be over 45hp, so by keeping the 250 2T stock it levels the playing field for privateers as no factory backed team is going to race two strokes when all they want to do is sell parts hungry four strokes. I'd imagine that the organisers of the Canadian national series wanted to do something similar with reducing the cost of racing for privateers and boosting rider entries.
And for the record since the rule came out it hasn't been a whitewash of two strokes & the majority of riders still front up with 250F's. Kale makehame finished the championship in 2nd in 2013 on a KTM 250SX and now has a Factory Suzuki ride this year on an RMZ450.
Yall 2 stroke guys are nuts. You complain about the Japanese manufacturers forcing their 4 stroke agenda down your throats but you do the same thing in here. Should I buy a 2007 or 2009 yz450f? Neither, get a 2003 yz250. Are 6D helmets good? Yes and thanks to Honda helmets are more innovative than 2 strokes. Give it a rest, guys.
You're amateurs and are more than welcome to take your 2t 250 all the way to Lorettas in the 250 class. I don't see a problem with the current pro rules and I don't see why you do considering all the holies you rip and 450s you destroy on your smoker.
That's what's the rulebook is trying to tell you.
"No 250f against 250 smoker." But that's what the industry wants and maybe not most of the Amateurs.
That's a stupid rule from medieval time, just to be sure 4 stroke look good or even par.
Lets think about it for a while:
You can spend as much money as you want to get your lawn mower up to speed.
But the chain saw should be bone stock.
Question is why?
I had both and currently I am running a 250 smoker:
If I still would be in racing I would go for the smoker no question.
For me it is a joke that a 97 KX250 has better handling than a 2011 CRF250R.
The CRF suspension is way better but the handling is not even close.
Maintenance:
A 250f and a 250 smoker needs maybe the same maintenance in case of parts. (Piston, Crank and so on)
The 250f need way more oil to be sure not risking your engine.
Every week about 15-20$ just Oil and Filter.
At the same time I spend about 10$ a week for 2 stroke Oil
A 250f is way more work and if the engine is blown a new bike might be the better option.
I bought 2 250f with blown engines conrod broke and went through the case.
Each engine at least 2000$ just the repair!
The same damage on a smoker is about 1000$ with cases.
For racing budged the smoker is the better option, for weekend warrior riding in the woods maybe the 4 stroke.
The 4 stroke is easier to ride and you get lazy.
But if you have no idea how to fix a engine this advantage is gone again.
I see a lot of riders with beat up bikes and it is just a question of time that those bikes are ending up at CL for less than 1000$ with a blown engine. Like the 2 I bought and both where from 2011.
To me it doesn't matter everybody should ride what he wants,
The entire discussion 4 Stroke or 2 stroke is useless!
Why?
Because 90% of the riders cant use the full potential of the bike anyway!
No matter if it is 2 or 4 stroke!
Pit Row
Rebuild the CRF and sold it with nice profit.
The KXF will be ready soon.
Both bike will fund my other bikes.
Working on a AF KX144
Nice fit to my KX250.
You can find them on CL from time to time but you have to be fast.
Usually they are gone the same day.
I rode from ATL to FL to get those bikes.
But it was worth it both had great suspension and where in good shape except the engine.
If you want to spend around 1000$ you can buy a rolling chassis as single parts at ebay.
Might take a while to find the good offers but will work.
Did that for my KX144 project base KXF2010.
Spend a little more than 1000$ but got a nice fork.
October - April is a good time to look, right now used parts are to expensive.
CC to CC the 2 strokes still have the upper hand in power and weight. No matter what anyone says , the 2 stroke is still a superior motor. Yes , the 4 strokes are THEE bike to own if you want to race. It's what the factories support. It's what they want you to buy. The cost a shit ton more in a race season and by all means , slap $40,000 into one and watch it get smoked by a bone stock $7000.00 2 stroke.
The big 4 have brain washed some peoples minds so much now days it's crazy.
Marvin wouldn't be racing 250s in the 250 class, so keep trying.
They aren't allowed to, so why keep throwing it out there as "what if's" about CC vs. CC because thats not what is allowed.
Rules are rules, right???
Im not saying its not a better bike to ride against other 250 four strokes (its is better), but in the US series its a non issue.
And against 450's, you would be a fool to think ANYONE could win on one at the national level. Marvin included.
BTW...this is what is in my garage. I love two strokes, but they won't race at the national level with any success ever again.
Enjoy those years JS7 was trying to beat the GOAT on one.
+5 to 10HP, -20lbs...
Ultimately, I can't wait for the day that 250 two-strokes are allowed to race the 250cc class at the professional level. The 250F will not disappear overnight and the sport will not implode. Some privateers and a few odd team-riders will choose the 250 two stroke and it will make the sport more interesting by adding another dynamic to the racing action.
I think Canada and Australia are closer to perfecting the formula of engine rules than we are in the USA... I sure hope the people who make decisions in our series are considering the "data" coming from those two countries and planning to make the right changes when it is prudent.
btw, I own both so search for someone else to argue with Two Stroke Taliban
Please tell me, dear sir, why a professional motocross racer would want a bike that is easier to ride?
I wonder if the 250F riders in that class are like "man, this bike sure is easy to ride!" while Kaven Benoit blows by them on his 51HP razorblade?
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