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Barcia deserved the fine. He apologized on TV at least. Hope he went and apologized in person to Vincent, but who knows.
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It looked to me like Vincent crossed-rutted a wee bit which shot him left into Barcia. Vincent should have backed off and let Barcia past.
But your Barcia hate is strong - I am sure you are seeing what you want to see, not what actually happened.
Saying barcia rode the same line every lap is pointless. He had a healthy lead and was right next to Vincent going into that corner. He clearly went from left to right mid air. Vincent could have ran into him like he did or go out of his way to avoid from hitting him. This isn't barcia first race he should know better than to assume a lapper will get out of his way. Moving through lapped traffic is just as much a part of the race as the start. He didn't do it right and it cost him, albeit not that much seeing as he still has over a race lead on second place in points. And his throwing a tantrum about it -in tears from directly after the race and still on the verge of tears back at the semi while at the same time half ass apologizing and trying to laugh it off like its nothing, yet everyone says he's soo mature this year.
He's fast indoors and I recognize that completely but that has never been the case outdoors. The only outdoor success he ever has is at unadilla and southwick. Other than those tracks he spends most motos on the ground and unable to move through the pack. He did well in his stint on the 450 but he was the best of the rest and with chad sore after millville a distant 3rd place other than the mud Moto win at southwick which like I said is 1 of 2 tracks hes always good at outdoors.
I really don't care that he rooster roczen thats not an issue at all but what he did to Vincent and the medic crew is wrong and if you can't recognize that then there's no point in arguing with you.
In the video he admitted himself that he roosted the medic crew guys and Vincent (actually he's laughing a bit about it ...) ... I think he should be suspended for a race.
Roosting the medic crew on purpose should have resulted in an automatic disqualification or being barred from racing at least the next round... those guys were out there totally unprotected and trying to attend to a downed rider. $5K is a slap on the wrist for a stupid and dangerous move.
How important is rider conduct in regards to this incident: Especially interfering with/Obstructing the Med-Crew...specifically Doc B...WTF is that about?!
How much DISCIPLINE should we enforce upon these guys, namely Top Level Pro's when they step Way the Fk outta Line?
Do you or Don't you support the idea, indeed even the Contractual OBLIGATION..., that their CONDUCT matters?
Why do I put it to you, directly...?
That's simple: You seem to give a shit and you've given it some rational thought...
Me? Sure, saying your sorry accounts for a little bit of remorse; however, what...historically...can we look at and utilize to make this a finite and "corrective action" on behalf of the AMA? Remember, this some history here and he's shot his mouth off about this kinda shit (Bercy).
As discussed-else-where...He didn't even get his "Podium" pay amount in that fine...he's proll'y lookin' at around $10-25K for the nite...
Also, REMOVING points for fkng w/ the Medical Crew while they're attending a FALLEN RIDER is NEVER, EVER too severe when take a look at what you are truly discussing.
Also, I'd like to see some "Action" taken by the Team like you often see in other forms of Motorsports...
In the End: We are watching a young-man grow up and learn about accountability. I, personally, don't think he's a "Bad-Guy" or that he's "Gone Off the Reservation"; but, this is a pretty unsafe and dangerous conduct when you get down to the real issue(s).
Watching Vincent's lines, I agree that the track layout basically left Vincent with one of two choices...dead stop or cut to the outside. Should have stopped, but hindsight is 20/20.
I also think that JB was sincere in his apology. But a sincere apology is not enough. They fined him $5k. I think he should be on probation at least until the end of 2012 and any new incidents like this = DQ or suspension.
guess we can only wait and see what happens.
i think he'll jump onto a 450, but again, just speculation
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Having said that, if it was my call, the fine would be more like $10K, and I'd be inclined to give the money to Vincent.
But at the end of the day, reasonable people can agree to disagree.
The penalty was for roosting Asterisk and that's where any fines should go.
what if it were Vincent roosting the medics? what should the penalty be? his income is probably a couple hundred for each main he makes. oops, there goes 5k because of a silly mistake. or by your reasoning, he would have been fined 5 dollars...
i'm by no means saying what Barcia did by roosting the medics was ok. it was childish and that shit shouldn't fly. but the same penalty for everyone isn't always possible.
No gos hate for Bam Bam is evident in his posts. Vincent caused the incident, and didn't appear like he was on his death bed in the pics GuyB posted. He was wrong to roost the Doc, but he was pissed...got caught up in the moment, and he apologized and was punished. I would love to see Bam Bam lay wood to the Nationals and really add to the tears and bitching of this mob...especially Bagget and Roczen.
They were simply discussing a 20 year old man behaving like a four year old child having a temper tantrum. Anyone would find that a little odd.
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