Bagget / Dungey & Barcia/Dungey

Sorry it was Stanton...

Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

snowy816 wrote: Was thinking of the racer schedule, what does it do to Dungey if Barcia beats him in their race MXDN and Bagget beat Dungey in their racer MXDN?

You can say what you want about team effort, but I bet that would serve notice to these guys moving up next year to 450's..

You can't tell me Dungey wouldn't go back to US and start thinking about the MDXN race that had him worried of what is to come next year.

What interview was it that RJ (I think it was) said the top 4 lites would of smoked Dungey and Alessi, Pulpmx or Vurb??

Dungey will deal with next years outdoor series when it comes. Dude is a like a friggin terminator machine, just keeps on going.

bg22 wrote: Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

herlings was faster then cairoli on a 250....

RV last year went to MEC and won, that didnt do anything to Dungeys Confidence. Dungey will be fine, MXDN track is nothing like what we have here in the states either

bg22 wrote: Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

barrs211 wrote: herlings was faster then cairoli on a 250....

Didn't RV win the 1st and 2nd MXoN Motos in 2007?

What was he riding?

What track was it?

Who did he beat?

Mx4life320 wrote: RV last year went to MEC and won, that didnt do anything to Dungeys Confidence. Dungey will be fine, MXDN track is nothing like what we have here in the states either

Even though I agree Dungey is good, real good, however RV and RC were in another class IMO before Reed ejected.

I used to get so pissed when a Mate would beat me in a race. I would go home kick the dog, blame my bike go to the pub tell people my mate cheated anything to make myself feel better.. In the end I just thought fuarrk he farking beat me the prick. Whcih would turn into me getting very drunk go home with the slutiest scrubber at the pub and take it out on her. In the morning as I snuck out of her house I would think "What do I have to do... "

When your a racer it hurts FACT. And plays with your head a bit... And if it is a RV demorilization like when he did on the 250f in MXDN it is a wake up call of what is to come.

Mx4life320 wrote: RV last year went to MEC and won, that didnt do anything to Dungeys Confidence. Dungey will be fine, MXDN track is nothing like what we have here in the states either

snowy816 wrote: Even though I agree Dungey is good, real good, however RV and RC were in another class IMO before Reed ejected.

I used to get so pissed when a Mate would beat me in a race. I would go home kick the dog, blame my bike go to the pub tell people my mate cheated anything to make myself feel better.. In the end I just thought fuarrk he farking beat me the prick. Whcih would turn into me getting very drunk go home with the slutiest scrubber at the pub and take it out on her. In the morning as I snuck out of her house I would think "What do I have to do... "

When your a racer it hurts FACT. And plays with your head a bit... And if it is a RV demorilization like when he did on the 250f in MXDN it is a wake up call of what is to come.

Do you think we can get a score lower than 8 points this year? (The USA score from 2007)

Mx4life320 wrote: RV last year went to MEC and won, that didnt do anything to Dungeys Confidence. Dungey will be fine, MXDN track is nothing like what we have here in the states either

snowy816 wrote: Even though I agree Dungey is good, real good, however RV and RC were in another class IMO before Reed ejected.

I used to get so pissed when a Mate would beat me in a race. I would go home kick the dog, blame my bike go to the pub tell people my mate cheated anything to make myself feel better.. In the end I just thought fuarrk he farking beat me the prick. Whcih would turn into me getting very drunk go home with the slutiest scrubber at the pub and take it out on her. In the morning as I snuck out of her house I would think "What do I have to do... "

When your a racer it hurts FACT. And plays with your head a bit... And if it is a RV demorilization like when he did on the 250f in MXDN it is a wake up call of what is to come.

TeamGreen wrote: Do you think we can get a score lower than 8 points this year? (The USA score from 2007)

If you do that.. you will probably even beat Europe this time

snowy816 wrote: Even though I agree Dungey is good, real good, however RV and RC were in another class IMO before Reed ejected.

I used to get so pissed when a Mate would beat me in a race. I would go home kick the dog, blame my bike go to the pub tell people my mate cheated anything to make myself feel better.. In the end I just thought fuarrk he farking beat me the prick. Whcih would turn into me getting very drunk go home with the slutiest scrubber at the pub and take it out on her. In the morning as I snuck out of her house I would think "What do I have to do... "

When your a racer it hurts FACT. And plays with your head a bit... And if it is a RV demorilization like when he did on the 250f in MXDN it is a wake up call of what is to come.

TeamGreen wrote: Do you think we can get a score lower than 8 points this year? (The USA score from 2007)

mccread wrote: If you do that.. you will probably even beat Europe this time

Like we did in...

2007 and a few other years, too.

bg22 wrote: Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

barrs211 wrote: herlings was faster then cairoli on a 250....

Isn't this thread about BB, RD5, and Bam Bam. Not Herlings, RV, RC, Everts, Stewart, Reed....

yea can't argue with 2007, America smoked it that year (although Cairoli did have a the second best lap time of the day ahead of RC )

Was blown away by how good RC was in his corners that day, was great to see be there and see him do his last ever race.

Not too many other years I don't think, not in the last 20 anyway, maybe just once or twice other than 2007.

USA only won once from 94 onwards in the 90s.

bg22 wrote: Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

barrs211 wrote: herlings was faster then cairoli on a 250....

bg22 wrote: Isn't this thread about BB, RD5, and Bam Bam. Not Herlings, RV, RC, Everts, Stewart, Reed....

I think the point was a 250 rider can be faster than a 450 rider in the sand.

bg22 wrote: Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

Baggett weighs about the same as Kate Moss, he will be on it!

mccread wrote: If you do that.. you will probably even beat Europe this time

who is this MCCREAD he needs educating EUROPE is NOT a country

bg22 wrote: Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

barrs211 wrote: herlings was faster then cairoli on a 250....

bg22 wrote: Isn't this thread about BB, RD5, and Bam Bam. Not Herlings, RV, RC, Everts, Stewart, Reed....

Some of these other rider's results at these previous races lay-down a counter argument to the OP & others in this thread...that's all...

I'm quite sure that RD knows EXACTLY how fast Bam-Bam is...hell...even Blake.

RD is so smart and analytical that he really is RD "jr"...as in Roger DeCoste-junior...study the competition and develop a strategy to beat them.

Period.

TeamGreen wrote: Do you think we can get a score lower than 8 points this year? (The USA score from 2007)

mccread wrote: If you do that.. you will probably even beat Europe this time

mac3-d wrote: who is this MCCREAD he needs educating EUROPE is NOT a country

I'm from the USA, according to my location .


Team Green reckons if you add the best "European" rider scores in each class, that the USA would still win.

HA HA !!! was out at greers today on JK (51) 350 could'nt get it to turn, SM (171) hurt leg so tried his 350 a lot better / not enough to tempt me back. enjoy next weekend

mccread wrote: If you do that.. you will probably even beat Europe this time

mac3-d wrote: who is this MCCREAD he needs educating EUROPE is NOT a country

mccread wrote: I'm from the USA, according to my location .


Team Green reckons if you add the best "European" rider scores in each class, that the USA would still win.

Maybe...jus'...

Maybe.

And, yes, I think it's even possible to get a 7.

Yea I have the same problem on his, bars are very far forward. Wish I could have got up, I watched sidecars/quads and got a parking fine instead.


Roy Kennedy won the vet race today...you'll be back now ha ha

I think Stanton was wrong.

Moving up to the 450 full time is tough. Baggett needs a good year in Supercross '13 to convince me he has anything for Dungey on a Supercross track. Not to mention, Barcia AND Baggett still have a ways to go to be as consistent as the Dunge in either discipline. Ryan's rookie 450 year going as smoothly and injury free as it did was an exception, very rarely is it that uneventful for star 250 riders.

Speedwise on an outdoor track (and Supercross for Barcia as well) they may be able to match some laptimes but then again the only times Ryan had to push this year was Hangtown and Freestone; if my memory is correct the top 250 times were noticeably yet not considerably slower than Stew and Dungey's (and they more or less matched each other lap for lap in those races).


What happens on an unconventional sand race is not a gauge as to who is a better or worse overall rider, just in the way a mud race isn't. It proves just that, who is a good sand rider, and who is a good mud rider.

watson wrote: I think Stanton was wrong.

Moving up to the 450 full time is tough. Baggett needs a good year in Supercross '13 to convince me he has anything for Dungey on a Supercross track. Not to mention, Barcia AND Baggett still have a ways to go to be as consistent as the Dunge in either discipline. Ryan's rookie 450 year going as smoothly and injury free as it did was an exception, very rarely is it that uneventful for star 250 riders.

Speedwise on an outdoor track (and Supercross for Barcia as well) they may be able to match some laptimes but then again the only times Ryan had to push this year was Hangtown and Freestone; if my memory is correct the top 250 times were noticeably yet not considerably slower than Stew and Dungey's (and they more or less matched each other lap for lap in those races).


What happens on an unconventional sand race is not a gauge as to who is a better or worse overall rider, just in the way a mud race isn't. It proves just that, who is a good sand rider, and who is a good mud rider.

Yeah, I don't buy that who is a good sand rider and who is a good mud rider. If you are that good you ride them all. Reed fast on sx, hard pack mx, sand mx, mud mx.. Same for RV, RC and others.

The advantage that comes with youth, is they come into the sport where it has eveloved so much before they even start. So they are the next pprogression. Juts like all sports the Barcia, Tomac, AC, and so on are thenext level.

That is why RC or Reed or KW are legends they can step it up to the next level it has become.

I mean holly shit look at what some 10 years olds are doing on a mx bike today m it wouldn't be thought of back 10 years ago and the speed etc.

bg22 wrote: Barcia maybe, but BB doesn't have a shot on a 250 in the sand.

Outsider wrote: Baggett weighs about the same as Kate Moss, he will be on it!

That made me lol

snowy816 wrote: Yeah, I don't buy that who is a good sand rider and who is a good mud rider. If you are that good you ride them all. Reed fast on sx, hard pack mx, sand mx, mud mx.. Same for RV, RC and others.

The advantage that comes with youth, is they come into the sport where it has eveloved so much before they even start. So they are the next pprogression. Juts like all sports the Barcia, Tomac, AC, and so on are thenext level.

That is why RC or Reed or KW are legends they can step it up to the next level it has become.

I mean holly shit look at what some 10 years olds are doing on a mx bike today m it wouldn't be thought of back 10 years ago and the speed etc.

But if you ride ONLY sand or mud exceptionally well what does that prove? And MXdN rarely proves who the best riders are anyway. Look at Cairoli's luck in the event. Stewart as well.

I understand your point on progression, but historically top rookies coming into the big boy class have had a rough go at it (TC, RC, KW, JS, RV, Jake Weimer, I can go on). Sure the top ones will have scattered success but are they riding on the level of speed and consistency that Dungey is like Stanton is implying? Certainly not. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.

TeamGreen wrote: Do you think we can get a score lower than 8 points this year? (The USA score from 2007)

6 is the best, right?

snowy816 wrote: Even though I agree Dungey is good, real good, however RV and RC were in another class IMO before Reed ejected.

I used to get so pissed when a Mate would beat me in a race. I would go home kick the dog, blame my bike go to the pub tell people my mate cheated anything to make myself feel better.. In the end I just thought fuarrk he farking beat me the prick. Whcih would turn into me getting very drunk go home with the slutiest scrubber at the pub and take it out on her. In the morning as I snuck out of her house I would think "What do I have to do... "

When your a racer it hurts FACT. And plays with your head a bit... And if it is a RV demorilization like when he did on the 250f in MXDN it is a wake up call of what is to come.

TeamGreen wrote: Do you think we can get a score lower than 8 points this year? (The USA score from 2007)

sbarrington314 wrote: 6 is the best, right?

I believe you get to throw out one of you rider's motos/scores...so, if we went...1st & 2nd + 1st & 2nd + 1st & 2nd...and threw out a 2nd...it would be 7, right?

oh, i thought you threw out an entire moto and they only score 2 motos.

snowy816 wrote: Even though I agree Dungey is good, real good, however RV and RC were in another class IMO before Reed ejected.

I used to get so pissed when a Mate would beat me in a race. I would go home kick the dog, blame my bike go to the pub tell people my mate cheated anything to make myself feel better.. In the end I just thought fuarrk he farking beat me the prick. Whcih would turn into me getting very drunk go home with the slutiest scrubber at the pub and take it out on her. In the morning as I snuck out of her house I would think "What do I have to do... "

When your a racer it hurts FACT. And plays with your head a bit... And if it is a RV demorilization like when he did on the 250f in MXDN it is a wake up call of what is to come.

TeamGreen wrote: Do you think we can get a score lower than 8 points this year? (The USA score from 2007)

sbarrington314 wrote: 6 is the best, right?

7, 1-2-1-2-1, top 5 overall scores, Dungey knows how to win and is very calculated in every moto.

watson wrote: I think Stanton was wrong.

Moving up to the 450 full time is tough. Baggett needs a good year in Supercross '13 to convince me he has anything for Dungey on a Supercross track. Not to mention, Barcia AND Baggett still have a ways to go to be as consistent as the Dunge in either discipline. Ryan's rookie 450 year going as smoothly and injury free as it did was an exception, very rarely is it that uneventful for star 250 riders.

Speedwise on an outdoor track (and Supercross for Barcia as well) they may be able to match some laptimes but then again the only times Ryan had to push this year was Hangtown and Freestone; if my memory is correct the top 250 times were noticeably yet not considerably slower than Stew and Dungey's (and they more or less matched each other lap for lap in those races).


What happens on an unconventional sand race is not a gauge as to who is a better or worse overall rider, just in the way a mud race isn't. It proves just that, who is a good sand rider, and who is a good mud rider.

Yeah I don't know what Stanton was thinking with that comment...

A 450 is a totally different bike, BamBam did get some podiums but RD aint a joke...