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Sondy132001 10/1/2010 9:34am
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I've seen a lot of aggressive racing, was at Saddleback when Hannah took out Howerton, list goes on, the only dirty riding, that I will say is dirty riding was Bubba at Hangtown, when he would deliberately shove RonRon into the snow fencing in the 125 race, he literally would stop and hit him...oh yeah come to think of it all the dirty racing I've seen was at Hangtown lol J-Law & RV...But when I think of questionable racing that's just racing...dirty blatant racing Bubba on RonRon is text book.

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DC 10/1/2010 9:35am
10/1/2010 9:35am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2010 9:47am
Geoff, you haven't heard one word because Marmont was out of control and almost took Canard out while crashing. I was there, and Trey is lucky he didn't get knocked down.



Have some objectivity.

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500guy 10/1/2010 9:40am
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As a racer I like Townley but he rides way over his head and won't last the way he's doing it.

Like everyone in USA He did it to Short and USA = Dirty move , We do it to them rubbing is racing.
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mx-frog 10/1/2010 9:42am
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grover738 wrote:
[url=http://www.racerxonline.com/article/5-minutes-with-ben-townley-10-1-10.aspx]LINK [/url] Money quotes: Racer X: I know this is sort of starting on a downer, but you won that moto, but you killed Shorty. What...

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Racer X: I know this is sort of starting on a downer, but you won that moto, but you killed Shorty. What happened there? What was the story with that?
Ben Townley: I was going for it. I wanted to win.

Did you think you would hit or did you think he would let off?
I thought he would let off, yeah. Maybe he didn’t know I was there. I don’t know, it’s racing. It’s motocross. It happens and I don’t know what else to say.

Somebody asked me right afterward why you would do that, and I said, "Dude, I would take out my mom to win a moto at the MXoN."
Without a doubt. I wanted to win. For me, it’s important to get back to that level that I know I can be, and I think I proved that once I got to the front. That little German f&#$er is a fast one...




Kind of refreshing to hear some brutal honesty, IMO.
i think what he did on the parade lap the second moto after cooling down show's there was more to it. Don't believe me,he had a huge problem with the pass after the moto,if he didn't he would'nt have did that punk-azz move on the parade lap?

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mxgeoff 10/1/2010 9:43am
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DC wrote:
Geoff, you haven't heard one word because Marmont was out of control and almost took Canard out while crashing. I was there, and Trey is lucky...
Geoff, you haven't heard one word because Marmont was out of control and almost took Canard out while crashing. I was there, and Trey is lucky he didn't get knocked down.



Have some objectivity.

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DC,

I was just going by what a few people told me then Van Horebeek mentioned Canard took Marmont out. I didn't mean to try and make Canard look bad, he's a great dude.

My apology's.

Geoff
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spd721 10/1/2010 9:45am
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Wow, I can't wait to see when Short T-bones BT in 2011.
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DC 10/1/2010 9:49am
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Fair play Geoff, I tweaked my initial post in the spirit of global peace...

Marmont was going faster at that point and I think Trey was exhausted, but he rushed it instead of waiting.

What 500Guy said about the perception is spot-on for both sides of the ocean.

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mxgeoff 10/1/2010 9:52am
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It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team I prefered to follow last weekend.

For once I was actually glad it turned out how it did. Three super human beings and total gentleman on the track and off it.
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ATKpilot99 10/1/2010 9:59am
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mxgeoff wrote:
It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team...
It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team I prefered to follow last weekend.

For once I was actually glad it turned out how it did. Three super human beings and total gentleman on the track and off it.
Alright, who hijacked Geoff's account ? Laughing
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mx-frog 10/1/2010 10:03am
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It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team...
It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team I prefered to follow last weekend.

For once I was actually glad it turned out how it did. Three super human beings and total gentleman on the track and off it.
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Alright, who hijacked Geoff's account ? Laughing
I've learned along time ago,never believe a word Geoff says! [smile] He's a politician in media clothing. Just kidding Geoff your not near the pecker-head you where in 2005-06.[smile]
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mxgeoff 10/1/2010 10:15am
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mxgeoff wrote:
It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team...
It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team I prefered to follow last weekend.

For once I was actually glad it turned out how it did. Three super human beings and total gentleman on the track and off it.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Alright, who hijacked Geoff's account ? Laughing
mx-frog wrote:
I've learned along time ago,never believe a word Geoff says! [smile] He's a politician in media clothing. Just kidding Geoff your not near the pecker-head you...
I've learned along time ago,never believe a word Geoff says! [smile] He's a politician in media clothing. Just kidding Geoff your not near the pecker-head you where in 2005-06.[smile]
2005 and 2006 I was in the middle of a divorce....I wasn't then who I am now.
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mx-frog 10/1/2010 10:18am
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Completly understand, maybe you should come back to Mototalk?
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Nutty C 10/1/2010 10:18am
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Don't the officals have a black flag anymore?
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mxgeoff wrote:
It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team...
It wasn't so much me having a go at an America rider. In all honesty I was rooting for Team USA. I didn't see any team I prefered to follow last weekend.

For once I was actually glad it turned out how it did. Three super human beings and total gentleman on the track and off it.
Agree with that.. this year they deserved the win.
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Zildjian 10/1/2010 10:26am
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OK BT, race to win but next time someone takes out you, don't whine like a little bitch about like you did when Alessi took you out. The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
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gt80rider 10/1/2010 10:29am
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Townley is a F'n Hack for his move on Shorty..... period.....

and...

let's say BT would have waited a couple more corners, or maybe a couple more laps to put on a clean pass... more likely than not BT STILL would have won that moto.... and he'd have won the moto with honor.... hell, he could have "rubbed" Shorty in a couple corners and still won with honor.... and then 100% of Vitalheads (including myself) would have been talking about his great ride...

instead, that HACK knowingly chose to put Shorty down... rubbing is racing for sure... nothing wrong with that... but putting a guy down when you don't need to is bullchit, pure and simple...

and perhaps even worse... BT went from being well liked by Americans, to being considered a F'n moron by a large portion of them... was put'n Shorty down really worth that???
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Sondy132001 10/1/2010 10:31am
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it's going to be a loooonnnnnggggg fall/winter huh ??

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Sawblade 10/1/2010 10:32am
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Nutty C wrote:
Don't the officals have a black flag anymore?
Why? So every rider that has incidental contact can be removed from the race? Its motocross, while it sucked for Short & Team USA real estate on a MX track can get real small real quick in the heat battle.

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Nutty C 10/1/2010 10:38am
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Nutty C wrote:
Don't the officals have a black flag anymore?
Sawblade wrote:
Why? So every rider that has incidental contact can be removed from the race? Its motocross, while it sucked for Short & Team USA real estate...
Why? So every rider that has incidental contact can be removed from the race? Its motocross, while it sucked for Short & Team USA real estate on a MX track can get real small real quick in the heat battle.
Not refering to this particular exchange but there is too many outright dirty moves going on and there does not seem to be any penalty. I mean the track is 20 odd feet wide and if a dude is faster he is going to get around.
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FreshTopEnd 10/1/2010 10:44am
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Nutty C wrote:
Don't the officals have a black flag anymore?
Sawblade wrote:
Why? So every rider that has incidental contact can be removed from the race? Its motocross, while it sucked for Short & Team USA real estate...
Why? So every rider that has incidental contact can be removed from the race? Its motocross, while it sucked for Short & Team USA real estate on a MX track can get real small real quick in the heat battle.
Nutty C wrote:
Not refering to this particular exchange but there is too many outright dirty moves going on and there does not seem to be any penalty. I...
Not refering to this particular exchange but there is too many outright dirty moves going on and there does not seem to be any penalty. I mean the track is 20 odd feet wide and if a dude is faster he is going to get around.
Actually, there's a lot less these days IMO. What for example Barcia gets reamed over was pretty standard stuff for most of the sport.
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Highsider 10/1/2010 10:50am
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Interesting contrast to his comments about Alessi at Glen Helen. Not really a criticism, though: it's human nature, for better and worse, to see one's own...
Interesting contrast to his comments about Alessi at Glen Helen.

Not really a criticism, though: it's human nature, for better and worse, to see one's own actions as fair and other people's actions that affect you as unfair.
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True, we even do that with pour favorite riders. If Pourcel slams someone, it's good racing. Townley does it to Short and Ben's an a-hole. I...
True, we even do that with pour favorite riders. If Pourcel slams someone, it's good racing. Townley does it to Short and Ben's an a-hole. I say it's racing Hannah style!
Or Barcia punting Wilson over the berm.

My wife and kid didn't see the BT/Short delio, but when I did and got upset at Ben, my wife was convinced if the tables were turned....
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txmxer 10/1/2010 10:53am
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I don't have an issue with either pass--MA/BT or AS/BT.

I've taken lines that were near miss passes and if the other guy had moved over a fraction we'd have been sprawled on the ground. You see an opening and go. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Might not be the brightest thing ever, but, I don't think BT was expecting that pass to turn out as it did.
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rocrac 10/1/2010 10:54am
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Lots of pictures around with short sporting a nice shiner courtesy of BT. Paybacks are a bitch.
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gt80rider wrote:
Townley is a F'n Hack for his move on Shorty..... period..... and... let's say BT would have waited a couple more corners, or maybe a couple...
Townley is a F'n Hack for his move on Shorty..... period.....

and...

let's say BT would have waited a couple more corners, or maybe a couple more laps to put on a clean pass... more likely than not BT STILL would have won that moto.... and he'd have won the moto with honor.... hell, he could have "rubbed" Shorty in a couple corners and still won with honor.... and then 100% of Vitalheads (including myself) would have been talking about his great ride...

instead, that HACK knowingly chose to put Shorty down... rubbing is racing for sure... nothing wrong with that... but putting a guy down when you don't need to is bullchit, pure and simple...

and perhaps even worse... BT went from being well liked by Americans, to being considered a F'n moron by a large portion of them... was put'n Shorty down really worth that???
lmao... look at where you're from... easy to see your outrage.

if short would have done the same aggressive pass on townley and put him down, you would be in here calling all the guys wanting short's head on a platter whiney bitches.

please take your rose colored glasses off and reassess the situation
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Huckster 10/1/2010 11:04am
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Sawblade wrote:
Why? So every rider that has incidental contact can be removed from the race? Its motocross, while it sucked for Short & Team USA real estate...
Why? So every rider that has incidental contact can be removed from the race? Its motocross, while it sucked for Short & Team USA real estate on a MX track can get real small real quick in the heat battle.
Nutty C wrote:
Not refering to this particular exchange but there is too many outright dirty moves going on and there does not seem to be any penalty. I...
Not refering to this particular exchange but there is too many outright dirty moves going on and there does not seem to be any penalty. I mean the track is 20 odd feet wide and if a dude is faster he is going to get around.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Actually, there's a lot less these days IMO. What for example Barcia gets reamed over was pretty standard stuff for most of the sport.
not to mention again, that Pourcel did the same exact thing to Wilson a few laps before and what canard did to Wilson at Red Budd was even more aggressive., but neither of them gets vilified. Its all a matter of perspective and what glasses you chose to look at it through.
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grover738 10/1/2010 11:48am
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peelout719 wrote:
lmao... look at where you're from... easy to see your outrage. if short would have done the same aggressive pass on townley and put him down...
lmao... look at where you're from... easy to see your outrage.

if short would have done the same aggressive pass on townley and put him down, you would be in here calling all the guys wanting short's head on a platter whiney bitches.

please take your rose colored glasses off and reassess the situation
Hey! Leave Boulder out of this. Some of my fondest memories are from that town. Great beer before it was cool, hot in-shape women who like to party, lots of cheap..uh...green stuff, laid back police, great hiking & biking, great restaurants, that town has a ton of things going for it.

Nearly missed my flight back Monday afternoon after drinking and looking at the flatirons from a rooftop bar.
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peelout719 10/1/2010 11:51am
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lmao... look at where you're from... easy to see your outrage. if short would have done the same aggressive pass on townley and put him down...
lmao... look at where you're from... easy to see your outrage.

if short would have done the same aggressive pass on townley and put him down, you would be in here calling all the guys wanting short's head on a platter whiney bitches.

please take your rose colored glasses off and reassess the situation
grover738 wrote:
Hey! Leave Boulder out of this. Some of my fondest memories are from that town. Great beer before it was cool, hot in-shape women who like...
Hey! Leave Boulder out of this. Some of my fondest memories are from that town. Great beer before it was cool, hot in-shape women who like to party, lots of cheap..uh...green stuff, laid back police, great hiking & biking, great restaurants, that town has a ton of things going for it.

Nearly missed my flight back Monday afternoon after drinking and looking at the flatirons from a rooftop bar.
boulder as a city has nothing to do with it. i love boulder, your trip sounds just like many of mine there.

it's the rose colored Colorado USofA glasses he's sporting. just saying, some of the people in here need to put the shoe on the other foot
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BobbyM 10/1/2010 11:58am
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Sondy132001 wrote:
I've seen a lot of aggressive racing, was at Saddleback when Hannah took out Howerton, list goes on, the only dirty riding, that I will say...
I've seen a lot of aggressive racing, was at Saddleback when Hannah took out Howerton, list goes on, the only dirty riding, that I will say is dirty riding was Bubba at Hangtown, when he would deliberately shove RonRon into the snow fencing in the 125 race, he literally would stop and hit him...oh yeah come to think of it all the dirty racing I've seen was at Hangtown lol J-Law & RV...But when I think of questionable racing that's just racing...dirty blatant racing Bubba on RonRon is text book.

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langston ending bobby bonds career too at hangtown

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