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Edited Date/Time 7/16/2012 7:43pm
Matt Babbitt (who qualified for Red Bud and Budds Creek this year so far) is attempting to qualify for Southwick 450 class on this:

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Hando 7/15/2012 7:44pm
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yeah..this isnt happening. theres a 3? or 5 year old age limit on bikes.

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Crush 7/15/2012 8:09pm
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Hando wrote:
yeah..this isnt happening. theres a 3? or 5 year old age limit on bikes.
Really?!?! Never heard that... Suppose it never comes up tho really either!
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Hando 7/15/2012 8:20pm
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Hando wrote:
yeah..this isnt happening. theres a 3? or 5 year old age limit on bikes.
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Really?!?! Never heard that... Suppose it never comes up tho really either!
for ama MX and SX i believe so..not so sure about the AX series (if thats even ama sanctioned anymore or any other ama sanctioned pro series)

wouldn't want those pesky 10 year old bikes edgin' out them new turds
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mx757 7/15/2012 8:57pm
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Hando wrote:
yeah..this isnt happening. theres a 3? or 5 year old age limit on bikes.
It cant be 3, because there was the guy racing the CR at RedBud...
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its 5 years so 07 is the last year. But here's the trick, kx250's were made until 07 so he can just say its an 07.......
xnationalwrench 7/15/2012 9:21pm
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RM127 wrote:
its 5 years so 07 is the last year. But here's the trick, kx250's were made until 07 so he can just say its an 07.......
Lots of luck with that, have you heard of vin #'s and engine #'s?
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tobz 7/15/2012 10:54pm
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I don't think you could pick a more power sapping track on the AMA circuit to try and qualify on. Best of luck.
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Travis_Hudson 7/15/2012 11:52pm
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I don't think you could pick a more power sapping track on the AMA circuit to try and qualify on. Best of luck.
It is sand..........two strokes are better in the sand......Period.
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tobz 7/16/2012 12:23am
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tobz wrote:
I don't think you could pick a more power sapping track on the AMA circuit to try and qualify on. Best of luck.
Travis_Hudson wrote:
It is sand..........two strokes are better in the sand......Period.
I would have thought that deep sand would magnify the HP difference between the two bikes.
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haydos25 7/16/2012 1:40am
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tobz wrote:
I don't think you could pick a more power sapping track on the AMA circuit to try and qualify on. Best of luck.
Travis_Hudson wrote:
It is sand..........two strokes are better in the sand......Period.
Better than what exactly?? Better than a 450 four stroke? Not likely.

Good luck to him though, hope he has fun
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nwrider82 7/16/2012 2:09am
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tobz wrote:
I don't think you could pick a more power sapping track on the AMA circuit to try and qualify on. Best of luck.
Travis_Hudson wrote:
It is sand..........two strokes are better in the sand......Period.
haydos25 wrote:
Better than what exactly?? Better than a 450 four stroke? Not likely.

Good luck to him though, hope he has fun
This used to get mentioned every year back when both the two strokes and four strokes were racing. If I remember correctly the belief was that the lighter more nimble two strokes would float on top of the sand more, whereas the four strokes would dig in and plow though it more.
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tobz 7/16/2012 2:46am
7/16/2012 2:46am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2012 2:48am
Travis_Hudson wrote:
It is sand..........two strokes are better in the sand......Period.
haydos25 wrote:
Better than what exactly?? Better than a 450 four stroke? Not likely.

Good luck to him though, hope he has fun
nwrider82 wrote:
This used to get mentioned every year back when both the two strokes and four strokes were racing. If I remember correctly the belief was that...
This used to get mentioned every year back when both the two strokes and four strokes were racing. If I remember correctly the belief was that the lighter more nimble two strokes would float on top of the sand more, whereas the four strokes would dig in and plow though it more.
Just speaking from my own experience, the less powerful 2 stroke gets sucks in more and struggles to keep the power on the boil, where a 4 stroke will just get up and pull to the moon no matter where you are.

Iduno, tit for tat, but i think it magnifies the disadvantage of the power of the 2 stroke.
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Jakes Dad 7/16/2012 3:08am
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Renner fans might be a little dissapointed at Southwick, he's leaving the premix at home, and bringing a 450. A few years ago he finished top 10 on a clapped out Honda with a slipping clutch and pushing coolant out the radiator.
neverwasfastenuf 7/16/2012 4:22am
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RM127 wrote:
its 5 years so 07 is the last year. But here's the trick, kx250's were made until 07 so he can just say its an 07.......
xnationalwrench wrote:
Lots of luck with that, have you heard of vin #'s and engine #'s?
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pitbike502 7/16/2012 5:56am
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Whats the reason behind an older bike not being allowed on the track? After all, the same bike was raced in 05, 06, 07 etc..

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pete24 7/16/2012 5:59am
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its not that the two stroke is gonna float on top of the sand, the track is a frigging highway for first practice and hammered by second practice, the bulldozers (450s) fly on the smooth track i think southwick is the most obvious place that timed qualifing is bullshit
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mxb2 7/16/2012 8:06am
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5 year rule on the bikes, i think the rule might keep old bikes out for safety reasons. I doubt a 5 yr old mx bike is safe at that level.imo
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pitbike502 7/16/2012 9:25am
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Well made a mistake, it is an 07. Just talked to him about the year limit.
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newmann 7/16/2012 10:00am
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mxb2 wrote:
5 year rule on the bikes, i think the rule might keep old bikes out for safety reasons. I doubt a 5 yr old mx bike...
5 year rule on the bikes, i think the rule might keep old bikes out for safety reasons. I doubt a 5 yr old mx bike is safe at that level.imo
I call bullshit sir. Smile The OEM's control this sport and they only want their shiny NEW shit out there on TV. Can't afford for Honda to load up their toys and go home.
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pete24 7/16/2012 10:47am
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at dilla 2010 my buddiy raced a 05 rm 250 it has already been homogenized, or whatever they call it, anyway i told his dad it was to old, so he called the ama and they said the guys at the race dont have the paperwork for more than three years back, but it was ok to race it so i would just call to make sure after all its not about the racing, its about the MONEY, and im sure they want to take your money, and ill garentee no one at the ama gives a shit about you, sorry
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mxb2 7/16/2012 12:26pm
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mxb2 wrote:
5 year rule on the bikes, i think the rule might keep old bikes out for safety reasons. I doubt a 5 yr old mx bike...
5 year rule on the bikes, i think the rule might keep old bikes out for safety reasons. I doubt a 5 yr old mx bike is safe at that level.imo
newmann wrote:
I call bullshit sir. :) The OEM's control this sport and they only want their shiny NEW shit out there on TV. Can't afford for Honda...
I call bullshit sir. Smile The OEM's control this sport and they only want their shiny NEW shit out there on TV. Can't afford for Honda to load up their toys and go home.
LOL,I knew you would chime in broWinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWink
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mxb2 7/16/2012 12:27pm
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pete24 wrote:
at dilla 2010 my buddiy raced a 05 rm 250 it has already been homogenized, or whatever they call it, anyway i told his dad it...
at dilla 2010 my buddiy raced a 05 rm 250 it has already been homogenized, or whatever they call it, anyway i told his dad it was to old, so he called the ama and they said the guys at the race dont have the paperwork for more than three years back, but it was ok to race it so i would just call to make sure after all its not about the racing, its about the MONEY, and im sure they want to take your money, and ill garentee no one at the ama gives a shit about you, sorry
And that would make the bike legal at 5 years.
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chump6784 7/16/2012 12:30pm
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haydos25 wrote:
Better than what exactly?? Better than a 450 four stroke? Not likely.

Good luck to him though, hope he has fun
nwrider82 wrote:
This used to get mentioned every year back when both the two strokes and four strokes were racing. If I remember correctly the belief was that...
This used to get mentioned every year back when both the two strokes and four strokes were racing. If I remember correctly the belief was that the lighter more nimble two strokes would float on top of the sand more, whereas the four strokes would dig in and plow though it more.
tobz wrote:
Just speaking from my own experience, the less powerful 2 stroke gets sucks in more and struggles to keep the power on the boil, where a...
Just speaking from my own experience, the less powerful 2 stroke gets sucks in more and struggles to keep the power on the boil, where a 4 stroke will just get up and pull to the moon no matter where you are.

Iduno, tit for tat, but i think it magnifies the disadvantage of the power of the 2 stroke.
The 2 stroke has the advatange when comparing cc vs cc, the 2 stroke is better in the sand, deep loam where the 4 stroke shines on slick hard pack dirt. I am afraid when comparing 250 2 stroke to 450 4 stroke the advantage falls in favour of the 4 stroke. It has the power to pull its extra weight.
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JW381 7/16/2012 12:42pm
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Seems like the smoker would have a bit of an advantage when it comes to engine braking too. Although I know the newest crop of thumpers barely even have engine braking effects compared to the earlier 4-stroke MXers.
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Travis_Hudson 7/16/2012 1:22pm
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tobz wrote:
I don't think you could pick a more power sapping track on the AMA circuit to try and qualify on. Best of luck.
Travis_Hudson wrote:
It is sand..........two strokes are better in the sand......Period.
haydos25 wrote:
Better than what exactly?? Better than a 450 four stroke? Not likely.

Good luck to him though, hope he has fun
Well, pound for pound. I think a 250 smoker is at a disatvange anywhere now, but if you were going to try one in the sand would be a good place to try,......just saying.
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newmann 7/16/2012 3:04pm
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mxb2 wrote:
5 year rule on the bikes, i think the rule might keep old bikes out for safety reasons. I doubt a 5 yr old mx bike...
5 year rule on the bikes, i think the rule might keep old bikes out for safety reasons. I doubt a 5 yr old mx bike is safe at that level.imo
newmann wrote:
I call bullshit sir. :) The OEM's control this sport and they only want their shiny NEW shit out there on TV. Can't afford for Honda...
I call bullshit sir. Smile The OEM's control this sport and they only want their shiny NEW shit out there on TV. Can't afford for Honda to load up their toys and go home.
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LOL,I knew you would chime in broWinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWink
2008, 09, 10, 11, 12 model..... that 5 year old RMZ450 of yours would be plenty safe at that level. Only a privateer would be riding it anyway. No way a factory star would ever even have to consider it.

I have always been of the opinion that under the displacement rules, bringing a 2 stroke out is just bringing a knife to a gunfight. There were a few years there that the 2 stroke and certain riders could still get the job done but those days are gone.
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mxb2 7/16/2012 3:07pm
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newmann wrote:
I call bullshit sir. :) The OEM's control this sport and they only want their shiny NEW shit out there on TV. Can't afford for Honda...
I call bullshit sir. Smile The OEM's control this sport and they only want their shiny NEW shit out there on TV. Can't afford for Honda to load up their toys and go home.
mxb2 wrote:
LOL,I knew you would chime in broWinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWinkWink
newmann wrote:
2008, 09, 10, 11, 12 model..... that 5 year old RMZ450 of yours would be plenty safe at that level. Only a privateer would be riding...
2008, 09, 10, 11, 12 model..... that 5 year old RMZ450 of yours would be plenty safe at that level. Only a privateer would be riding it anyway. No way a factory star would ever even have to consider it.

I have always been of the opinion that under the displacement rules, bringing a 2 stroke out is just bringing a knife to a gunfight. There were a few years there that the 2 stroke and certain riders could still get the job done but those days are gone.
LOL, my rmz is plenty safe for me as slow as i goTongueTongueTongueTongueTongue

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