Are the OEM's scared of a 150cc vs 250cc?

miedosoracing1
Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 5:44pm
Just because they say no to the 250 vs 250, that is understandable. Because we all know which bike is better. We all can see a 2005 2 stroke is still better than the tech advanced brand new factory modded 250F. So, why not upping the rule to atleast 150cc? Are you OEM's scared???
I'm calling you out, once and for all. 150cc 2 strokes, or OEM's are scared!!!
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aggiemoto99 4/9/2010 9:06am
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I just posted this in the other thread...seems we agree.

In the karting world...144's and truly kicking 250f's asses.
miedosoracing1 4/9/2010 9:12am
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I just figured it out. Of course the 150cc rule isn't even being asked. Why would they ask something that may pass? If they stick with the 250cc vs 250cc, they know it will never pass. Of course.

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Tiki 4/9/2010 9:29am
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Miedso,

First why would the Manufacturers even care? Their whole goal in life is to make a product, sell it, get a profit. If they could sell double the product wouldn't they be for it?

For the sake of discussion, share with us why the manufactures would even be scared in this scenario?
miedosoracing1 4/9/2010 9:38am
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Tiki wrote:
Miedso, First why would the Manufacturers even care? Their whole goal in life is to make a product, sell it, get a profit. If they could...
Miedso,

First why would the Manufacturers even care? Their whole goal in life is to make a product, sell it, get a profit. If they could sell double the product wouldn't they be for it?

For the sake of discussion, share with us why the manufactures would even be scared in this scenario?
Well Tiki, I guess like it says, if they aren't scared, then let it be... The 250 vs 250 is dead and gone forever. We all know it. If they aren't scared, then let the 150cc rule change.
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Tiki 4/9/2010 9:39am
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You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they would be produced.
miedosoracing1 4/9/2010 9:41am
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Tiki wrote:
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they...
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they would be produced.
And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not. So the demand is there.
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Tiki wrote:
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they...
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they would be produced.
miedosoracing1 wrote:
And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not...
And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not. So the demand is there.
How many 4 strokes were made compared to 2 strokes?
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Tiki 4/9/2010 9:47am
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Tiki wrote:
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they...
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they would be produced.
miedosoracing1 wrote:
And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not...
And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not. So the demand is there.
Think about the crazy you are trying to sell here.

How many 150SX units are you defining selling out? 800? 1000?
Proof of this sell out? You heard it? Anything to back it up?
How many four stroke units are you comparing this to?

So what would cause fear in a manufacture to not make money?
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I really think Miedos needs to start a few more threads on this bullshit

As a matter of fact, I think he should start a new thread for every new thought that enters his brain in regards to this topic.
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flarider wrote:
I really think Miedos needs to start a few more threads on this bullshit As a matter of fact, I think he should start a new...
I really think Miedos needs to start a few more threads on this bullshit

As a matter of fact, I think he should start a new thread for every new thought that enters his brain in regards to this topic.
Too late. He beat you to it.
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How's that PRONMX (PrawnMX?) thing coming along?
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kardy wrote:
How's that PRONMX (PrawnMX?) thing coming along?
I thought it was PORNMX?
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flarider wrote:
I really think Miedos needs to start a few more threads on this bullshit As a matter of fact, I think he should start a new...
I really think Miedos needs to start a few more threads on this bullshit

As a matter of fact, I think he should start a new thread for every new thought that enters his brain in regards to this topic.
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Too late. He beat you to it.
DAMMIT!
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kardy wrote:
How's that PRONMX (PrawnMX?) thing coming along?
Still waiting for donations last I heard.
miedosoracing1 4/9/2010 9:55am
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Got the dogs sent to sick me again. Just love it. You guys know how stupid you look being sent in like dogs. Sad. The only comebacks are always personal. LMFAO.
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ProNMX is all set. Funny the weekend after fliers were given out, the track cancelled the race. Funny how that works, isn't it... So this time, it will stay secret, until it's time. It's coming along just fine, wait and see.

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Tiki 4/9/2010 9:57am
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Answer the question. You started this turd. Tell us what's in your head so we can either join you in your fight or stand on our existing thoughts.
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miedosoracing1 wrote:
Got the dogs sent to sick me again. Just love it. You guys know how stupid you look being sent in like dogs. Sad. The only...
Got the dogs sent to sick me again. Just love it. You guys know how stupid you look being sent in like dogs. Sad. The only comebacks are always personal. LMFAO.
You are so paranoid you think someone sent people to tell you about being crazy ?

So are you leading the crusade at Glen Helen this weekend for the 2 stroke world championships ?
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miedosoracing1 wrote:
Got the dogs sent to sick me again. Just love it. You guys know how stupid you look being sent in like dogs. Sad. The only...
Got the dogs sent to sick me again. Just love it. You guys know how stupid you look being sent in like dogs. Sad. The only comebacks are always personal. LMFAO.
Yes, they are the protectors of all things VitalMX.......................
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miedosoracing1 wrote:
ProNMX is all set. Funny the weekend after fliers were given out, the track cancelled the race. Funny how that works, isn't it... So this time...
ProNMX is all set. Funny the weekend after fliers were given out, the track cancelled the race. Funny how that works, isn't it... So this time, it will stay secret, until it's time. It's coming along just fine, wait and see.


Ooooo...more secret conspiracy stuff


Bein' held down by da man

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miedosoracing1 wrote:
ProNMX is all set. Funny the weekend after fliers were given out, the track cancelled the race. Funny how that works, isn't it... So this time...
ProNMX is all set. Funny the weekend after fliers were given out, the track cancelled the race. Funny how that works, isn't it... So this time, it will stay secret, until it's time. It's coming along just fine, wait and see.
So the race is on but it's a secret ?

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aggiemoto99 4/9/2010 10:03am
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All the mx companies posted losses recently...

it's been on the wall for a while with the four stroke...the sport can not sustain it in its current form.

And sadly the people who often have enough money to keep with the sport with the direction it's going price wise are also not willing to get hurt be it because they have to work and injury sets them back, or because they would rather spend their money in a different sport without injury.

MX has always been a "poor" man's racing sport...and it's quickly pricing itself out of the market.

Expect LL entries (qualies and areas) this year to be sad.

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aggiemoto99 wrote:
All the mx companies posted losses recently... it's been on the wall for a while with the four stroke...the sport can not sustain it in its...
All the mx companies posted losses recently...

it's been on the wall for a while with the four stroke...the sport can not sustain it in its current form.

And sadly the people who often have enough money to keep with the sport with the direction it's going price wise are also not willing to get hurt be it because they have to work and injury sets them back, or because they would rather spend their money in a different sport without injury.

MX has always been a "poor" man's racing sport...and it's quickly pricing itself out of the market.

Expect LL entries (qualies and areas) this year to be sad.

No MX has always been a Sport where Poor people can get in and leave twice as poor.

Racing is and has always been about money.
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CamP 4/9/2010 10:16am
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A fair rule would allow 175cc and 350cc two strokes to compete against the thumpers.
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Tiki wrote:
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they...
You realize that is just an ignorant statement don't you? Try again. Any business model is based on making money. If 150's, if 175's sold they would be produced.
miedosoracing1 wrote:
And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not...
And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not. So the demand is there.
Tiki wrote:
Think about the crazy you are trying to sell here. How many 150SX units are you defining selling out? 800? 1000? Proof of this sell out...
Think about the crazy you are trying to sell here.

How many 150SX units are you defining selling out? 800? 1000?
Proof of this sell out? You heard it? Anything to back it up?
How many four stroke units are you comparing this to?

So what would cause fear in a manufacture to not make money?
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miedosoracing1 wrote:
ProNMX is all set. Funny the weekend after fliers were given out, the track cancelled the race. Funny how that works, isn't it... So this time...
ProNMX is all set. Funny the weekend after fliers were given out, the track cancelled the race. Funny how that works, isn't it... So this time, it will stay secret, until it's time. It's coming along just fine, wait and see.
500guy wrote:
So the race is on but it's a secret ?

Oh boy.

Watch out for the black helicoptors.
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Tiki 4/9/2010 10:19am
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aggiemoto99 wrote:
All the mx companies posted losses recently... it's been on the wall for a while with the four stroke...the sport can not sustain it in its...
All the mx companies posted losses recently...

it's been on the wall for a while with the four stroke...the sport can not sustain it in its current form.

And sadly the people who often have enough money to keep with the sport with the direction it's going price wise are also not willing to get hurt be it because they have to work and injury sets them back, or because they would rather spend their money in a different sport without injury.

MX has always been a "poor" man's racing sport...and it's quickly pricing itself out of the market.

Expect LL entries (qualies and areas) this year to be sad.

I am not sure what you mean by: "it's been on the wall for a while with the four stroke"

You are correct, across the United States everyone is cutting back. We went from boom to bust. Type of engine has little to do with that. In my opinion, if the manufactures could find a way to show a profit, no racing organization in the world would have enough influence to talk them out of it. This is about dollars and sense.

Why would an OEM be scared of producing a bike because of a rule? Simple they wouldn't. Honda gambled on the 150R. The AMA squirmed and finally gave in due to the number of units being sold. Viola! The AMA found a place for them.

I concur, all racing entries are down and will be for a while.
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Tiki 4/9/2010 10:27am
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Again I refer back to if it sells the manufacture will produce it. So why would an OEM be scared to make more products if they sell?

Ask this, why are so many 450 units produced vs 150's

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