Are mx race speeds too fast?

DirtRoadmx47 wrote:

Its an old topic, but does it appear to anyone else that the mx nationals speeds are too fast? What happened to the rough and choppy...

Its an old topic, but does it appear to anyone else that the mx nationals speeds are too fast? What happened to the rough and choppy tracks that bred grueling battles? Nascar has a speed restriction maybe there should be a top speed restriction for mx for the safety of the riders? Those 1/4 inch hip pads dont cut it anymore............

hellion wrote:

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our...

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our top ranked riders don't seem to be able to safely race 450's as the majority of the top ten are out with injury. 250f's are easily as fast as the 250 two strokes of ten or fifteen years ago, and that's supposed to be a beginners class bike size?
Back in the day, Open bikes were super fast too. But they were so sketchy to ride that nobody dared take them to the ragged edge. With 450's that edge is camoflaged in a great handling chassis, great suspension and smooth power. Often a rider is beyond his limits without knowing it.
Beyond all that though, what was wrong with the 125? Sure riders could ride them pinned. Sure they were slower. But going fast on one was an art form, an art form that our sport needs.
More power doesn't equal better racing, in fact it does the opposite when the gates are depleted with injury.

hellion wrote:

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our...

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our top ranked riders don't seem to be able to safely race 450's as the majority of the top ten are out with injury. 250f's are easily as fast as the 250 two strokes of ten or fifteen years ago, and that's supposed to be a beginners class bike size?
Back in the day, Open bikes were super fast too. But they were so sketchy to ride that nobody dared take them to the ragged edge. With 450's that edge is camoflaged in a great handling chassis, great suspension and smooth power. Often a rider is beyond his limits without knowing it.
Beyond all that though, what was wrong with the 125? Sure riders could ride them pinned. Sure they were slower. But going fast on one was an art form, an art form that our sport needs.
More power doesn't equal better racing, in fact it does the opposite when the gates are depleted with injury.

Sandberm wrote:

Very well said.

hellion wrote:

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our...

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our top ranked riders don't seem to be able to safely race 450's as the majority of the top ten are out with injury. 250f's are easily as fast as the 250 two strokes of ten or fifteen years ago, and that's supposed to be a beginners class bike size?
Back in the day, Open bikes were super fast too. But they were so sketchy to ride that nobody dared take them to the ragged edge. With 450's that edge is camoflaged in a great handling chassis, great suspension and smooth power. Often a rider is beyond his limits without knowing it.
Beyond all that though, what was wrong with the 125? Sure riders could ride them pinned. Sure they were slower. But going fast on one was an art form, an art form that our sport needs.
More power doesn't equal better racing, in fact it does the opposite when the gates are depleted with injury.

Sandberm wrote:

Very well said.

Lawrence929 wrote:

+2

hellion wrote:

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our...

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our top ranked riders don't seem to be able to safely race 450's as the majority of the top ten are out with injury. 250f's are easily as fast as the 250 two strokes of ten or fifteen years ago, and that's supposed to be a beginners class bike size?
Back in the day, Open bikes were super fast too. But they were so sketchy to ride that nobody dared take them to the ragged edge. With 450's that edge is camoflaged in a great handling chassis, great suspension and smooth power. Often a rider is beyond his limits without knowing it.
Beyond all that though, what was wrong with the 125? Sure riders could ride them pinned. Sure they were slower. But going fast on one was an art form, an art form that our sport needs.
More power doesn't equal better racing, in fact it does the opposite when the gates are depleted with injury.

Chris_Vollmer wrote:

motocross racers understand that this is a dangerous sport they know the consequences when they wreck. also If there was a speed rule there would be...

motocross racers understand that this is a dangerous sport they know the consequences when they wreck. also If there was a speed rule there would be no more GREATS everyone would be the same.

newmann wrote:

Yep. Everyone talks about how slow 125's were/are, but damn that was some of the best racing on the planet. And no one can convince me...

Yep. Everyone talks about how slow 125's were/are, but damn that was some of the best racing on the planet. And no one can convince me that the 450's provide better racing than the 250's do (regardless of strokes).

The 250 class provides great racing as it always has and the riders seem to be able to maintain control of them better. Considering it is the lower level of talent (supposedly, being the stepping stone class) you would think the injury list would be a whole lot longer and a whole lot more severe than the seasoned riders of the 450 class, but it's not, is it?

hellion wrote:

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our...

Of course they are, to argue otherwise you must have your head in the sand. All across the sport major injuries are way up. Even our top ranked riders don't seem to be able to safely race 450's as the majority of the top ten are out with injury. 250f's are easily as fast as the 250 two strokes of ten or fifteen years ago, and that's supposed to be a beginners class bike size?
Back in the day, Open bikes were super fast too. But they were so sketchy to ride that nobody dared take them to the ragged edge. With 450's that edge is camoflaged in a great handling chassis, great suspension and smooth power. Often a rider is beyond his limits without knowing it.
Beyond all that though, what was wrong with the 125? Sure riders could ride them pinned. Sure they were slower. But going fast on one was an art form, an art form that our sport needs.
More power doesn't equal better racing, in fact it does the opposite when the gates are depleted with injury.

Sandberm wrote:

Very well said.

Lawrence929 wrote:

+2

dedi684 wrote:

I just watched the best racing I've seen in years at the 125 at crow hill. 25 minutes of action!

pchak wrote:

Lets also remember this sport no matter how great it is is a long way away from bringing in the kinds of money such as NASCAR...

Lets also remember this sport no matter how great it is is a long way away from bringing in the kinds of money such as NASCAR. So if they did run restricted motors or whatever the AMA decided to do to bring the speeds down mechanically. Who would inspect those parts of ever bike for every race. NASCAR can force everyone to run their generic parts. They also have the means to check every single car of every single race and qualifying run for non compliance.

I personally believe the 450 class should be and open class. Run what you want. I would like to see rules in super cross like no triples on the first lap or two. Possibly forcing riders to roll all jumps on the track for the first 1/2 lap or lap. I hope to never see another accident happen like what happened to Canard.

pchak wrote:

Lets also remember this sport no matter how great it is is a long way away from bringing in the kinds of money such as NASCAR...

Lets also remember this sport no matter how great it is is a long way away from bringing in the kinds of money such as NASCAR. So if they did run restricted motors or whatever the AMA decided to do to bring the speeds down mechanically. Who would inspect those parts of ever bike for every race. NASCAR can force everyone to run their generic parts. They also have the means to check every single car of every single race and qualifying run for non compliance.

I personally believe the 450 class should be and open class. Run what you want. I would like to see rules in super cross like no triples on the first lap or two. Possibly forcing riders to roll all jumps on the track for the first 1/2 lap or lap. I hope to never see another accident happen like what happened to Canard.

dehner47 wrote:

im sorry dude. but the rolling the jumps for the first lap or so.. plain stupid!!!! one, thats not racing. and two, as soon as one...

im sorry dude. but the rolling the jumps for the first lap or so.. plain stupid!!!!

one, thats not racing. and two, as soon as one guy has a brain fart, someones getting landed on!!!