Anymore substantiated issues w/ 17' CRF Starter?

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Hey - I know there's been some rumblings around an issue with the 17' CRF450s and their kickstarter causing the case to crack or something like that?

Can anyone shed more light as to how much of an issue this is for ALL the 17's or just a batch or is there a recall?

Any info would be great since the E-start affordable option of only $1,600 (all said and done) is not ideal haha

Thanks!

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My understanding is those kickstart issues were on pre-prod bikes, certainly I havent seen/heard it happen at all with any customer bikes....happy to be proven wrong.

I know these bikes like a light slow kick to fire them up when hot (which might be hard to do in the heat of the moment after a crash), so if you do that you should have no issues anyway.

I got the RX so no issues for me anyway Smile
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ML512 2/9/2017 6:18pm
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ginger969 wrote:
Hey - I know there's been some rumblings around an issue with the 17' CRF450s and their kickstarter causing the case to crack or something like...
Hey - I know there's been some rumblings around an issue with the 17' CRF450s and their kickstarter causing the case to crack or something like that?

Can anyone shed more light as to how much of an issue this is for ALL the 17's or just a batch or is there a recall?

Any info would be great since the E-start affordable option of only $1,600 (all said and done) is not ideal haha

Thanks!

Rip On!
$1600??? Where the hell did you get that quote? Laughing
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ginger969 2/9/2017 6:30pm
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ginger969 wrote:
Hey - I know there's been some rumblings around an issue with the 17' CRF450s and their kickstarter causing the case to crack or something like...
Hey - I know there's been some rumblings around an issue with the 17' CRF450s and their kickstarter causing the case to crack or something like that?

Can anyone shed more light as to how much of an issue this is for ALL the 17's or just a batch or is there a recall?

Any info would be great since the E-start affordable option of only $1,600 (all said and done) is not ideal haha

Thanks!

Rip On!
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$1600??? Where the hell did you get that quote? Laughing
My buddy at the dealership right now ha - what does it add up to when you break it down?

$109 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-wire-harness?pp=24

$529 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-kit?pp=24

So while I await his reply as to why he said $1600 I assume there's more to the install requirements then what I've linked above?

Battery? idk haha
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ML512 2/9/2017 6:36pm
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ginger969 wrote:
My buddy at the dealership right now ha - what does it add up to when you break it down? $109 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-wire-harness?pp=24 $529 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-kit?pp=24 So while...
My buddy at the dealership right now ha - what does it add up to when you break it down?

$109 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-wire-harness?pp=24

$529 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-kit?pp=24

So while I await his reply as to why he said $1600 I assume there's more to the install requirements then what I've linked above?

Battery? idk haha
I'm guessing it must be with their labor charge. Shelby, don't be a pussy, put it in yourself... Only takes like three hours LaughingLaughingLaughingTongue

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Ryno23 2/9/2017 6:55pm
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ginger969 wrote:
My buddy at the dealership right now ha - what does it add up to when you break it down? $109 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-wire-harness?pp=24 $529 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-kit?pp=24 So while...
My buddy at the dealership right now ha - what does it add up to when you break it down?

$109 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-wire-harness?pp=24

$529 http://shop.powersports.honda.com/p/electric-start-kit?pp=24

So while I await his reply as to why he said $1600 I assume there's more to the install requirements then what I've linked above?

Battery? idk haha
ML512 wrote:
I'm guessing it must be with their labor charge. Shelby, don't be a pussy, put it in yourself... Only takes like three hours :laugh: :laugh: :laugh...
I'm guessing it must be with their labor charge. Shelby, don't be a pussy, put it in yourself... Only takes like three hours LaughingLaughingLaughingTongue
So I looked st the instructions on the install of the estart. Not as simple as it should be. Do you know you have to pull the cam out to replace the decompression plunger in this kit? So I see some labor costs that the customer won't like.

Looks like the wire harness need to be replaced as well. Why Honda didn't use the estart harness from the beginning I don't understand. I'm not thrilled with Honda on this. I'm not putting one on my bike. Screw that.
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Ryno23 2/9/2017 7:00pm
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ginger969 wrote:
Hey - I know there's been some rumblings around an issue with the 17' CRF450s and their kickstarter causing the case to crack or something like...
Hey - I know there's been some rumblings around an issue with the 17' CRF450s and their kickstarter causing the case to crack or something like that?

Can anyone shed more light as to how much of an issue this is for ALL the 17's or just a batch or is there a recall?

Any info would be great since the E-start affordable option of only $1,600 (all said and done) is not ideal haha

Thanks!

Rip On!
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$1600??? Where the hell did you get that quote? Laughing
Btw ML, the battery doesn't come with the kit. So his 1600 qoute probably isn't that far off. Gotta pull the transmission cover on the side of the case to do the gears for the estart. Combine that with the cam work, wire harness swap, and other parts of the kit I see it being an 6+ hour flat rate job.
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You mean like this?
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My buddy sent me this he got from someone else. Said it was something about giving the bike gas when starting causing it to backfire. Not sure if that's what caused it just what I was told.



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Ruu row. Wonder if Honda is going to offer the same sort of warranty back up as KTM? Same old same old. Taking your chances buying the first model of a new gen
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It was a ECU map issue (on one of three maps)on preproduction bikes that could cause backfire when starting hot and full gas with kickstarter (the cycle had to be exactly wrong position). The map is was changed to all bikes, so no worries.

About electric start, as ML said do it yourself. Here is the video we made about it.
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PFitzG38 2/9/2017 9:54pm
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Ryno23 wrote:
So I looked st the instructions on the install of the estart. Not as simple as it should be. Do you know you have to pull...
So I looked st the instructions on the install of the estart. Not as simple as it should be. Do you know you have to pull the cam out to replace the decompression plunger in this kit? So I see some labor costs that the customer won't like.

Looks like the wire harness need to be replaced as well. Why Honda didn't use the estart harness from the beginning I don't understand. I'm not thrilled with Honda on this. I'm not putting one on my bike. Screw that.
Do you know how easy it is to change a cam? I would never let anyone touch my new Honda after I wheeled it out the door!
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Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.
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ML512 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/02/09/175027/s1200_IMG_4573.jpg[/img] Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.


Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.
So I'm assuming it's not an ECU issue? Or is it an ECU issue that results in this? How do I ensure it doesn't happen to mine haha
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ML512 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/02/09/175027/s1200_IMG_4573.jpg[/img] Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.


Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.
Michael,is this a known issue or only related to pre-production? Only asking as I rolled a freshy into the shop today. My (my son's) bike starts with a nice easy slow 4-stroke kick. The fit and finish of this bike is amazing. Is there a recall in your opinion in the works? Hope it's an isolated incident. And has been rectified. Thanks.



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ginger969 2/9/2017 10:58pm
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ML512 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/02/09/175027/s1200_IMG_4573.jpg[/img] Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.


Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.
mxandy963 wrote:
Michael,is this a known issue or only related to pre-production? Only asking as I rolled a freshy into the shop today. My (my son's) bike starts...
Michael,is this a known issue or only related to pre-production? Only asking as I rolled a freshy into the shop today. My (my son's) bike starts with a nice easy slow 4-stroke kick. The fit and finish of this bike is amazing. Is there a recall in your opinion in the works? Hope it's an isolated incident. And has been rectified. Thanks.



Man they really are beautiful bikes ❤
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MBR 2/9/2017 11:54pm
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ginger969 wrote:
So I'm assuming it's not an ECU issue? Or is it an ECU issue that results in this? How do I ensure it doesn't happen to...
So I'm assuming it's not an ECU issue? Or is it an ECU issue that results in this? How do I ensure it doesn't happen to mine haha
It is a mapping thing, to prevent the backfire happening they changed the timing advance later on the maps when you give full throttle when starting. At least every bike sold in Finland had the new mapping put on before they were given to customers.

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mxandy963 2/10/2017 12:12am
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ML512 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/02/09/175027/s1200_IMG_4573.jpg[/img] Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.


Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.
mxandy963 wrote:
Michael,is this a known issue or only related to pre-production? Only asking as I rolled a freshy into the shop today. My (my son's) bike starts...
Michael,is this a known issue or only related to pre-production? Only asking as I rolled a freshy into the shop today. My (my son's) bike starts with a nice easy slow 4-stroke kick. The fit and finish of this bike is amazing. Is there a recall in your opinion in the works? Hope it's an isolated incident. And has been rectified. Thanks.



ginger969 wrote:
Man they really are beautiful bikes ❤
I know. I keep staring at it. I think I'm freaking it out.
First ride is at Sunrise MX on Saturday. My boy will break it in. I'll spin a few laps to address any suspension issues. As it sits in the shop, quality is spot on. Haven't found any discrepancies. Time will tell...to be continued I guess.

Side note: hope it doesn't influence me to grab another '17 for myself. Uugghh..
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So I looked st the instructions on the install of the estart. Not as simple as it should be. Do you know you have to pull...
So I looked st the instructions on the install of the estart. Not as simple as it should be. Do you know you have to pull the cam out to replace the decompression plunger in this kit? So I see some labor costs that the customer won't like.

Looks like the wire harness need to be replaced as well. Why Honda didn't use the estart harness from the beginning I don't understand. I'm not thrilled with Honda on this. I'm not putting one on my bike. Screw that.
PFitzG38 wrote:
Do you know how easy it is to change a cam? I would never let anyone touch my new Honda after I wheeled it out the...
Do you know how easy it is to change a cam? I would never let anyone touch my new Honda after I wheeled it out the door!
Yeah, I do. I am a former ASE certified master tech for 16 years. Now I am the service manager for a Powereports dealer. I do all my own work still. I just don't feel like doing all that just for estart. Not worth it to me.
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ginger969 2/10/2017 10:46am
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ginger969 wrote:
So I'm assuming it's not an ECU issue? Or is it an ECU issue that results in this? How do I ensure it doesn't happen to...
So I'm assuming it's not an ECU issue? Or is it an ECU issue that results in this? How do I ensure it doesn't happen to mine haha
MBR wrote:
It is a mapping thing, to prevent the backfire happening they changed the timing advance later on the maps when you give full throttle when starting...
It is a mapping thing, to prevent the backfire happening they changed the timing advance later on the maps when you give full throttle when starting. At least every bike sold in Finland had the new mapping put on before they were given to customers.
If it's a mapping concern is there a way to see which map I have and if it is the affected map or not? Any map versions available for us to compare to? Thanks!
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Mort443 2/10/2017 10:50am
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So can you install one with and aftermarket clutch perch??
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TeamGreen wrote:
It's $1,000 on a REALLY BAD DAY!
Set up your camera and lets watch you install one. Let's see how many labor hours it takes you.
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What about installing a magneto or stator to charge the battery?
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certainly doesn't look like a fun job. I'd be pretty bummed to do all that after spending $9k.

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This is the reason I'm waiting for an 18. Let the bugs get worked out.
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Why not just buy an RX? Seems like it's the better way to go if you really want e-start. Not much there to convert it to full MX configuration.
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ML512 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/02/09/175027/s1200_IMG_4573.jpg[/img] Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.


Here's one...Kickstarter backfire related, from what I was told.
mxandy963 wrote:
Michael,is this a known issue or only related to pre-production? Only asking as I rolled a freshy into the shop today. My (my son's) bike starts...
Michael,is this a known issue or only related to pre-production? Only asking as I rolled a freshy into the shop today. My (my son's) bike starts with a nice easy slow 4-stroke kick. The fit and finish of this bike is amazing. Is there a recall in your opinion in the works? Hope it's an isolated incident. And has been rectified. Thanks.



That is a very sweet "Freshy". Those new Honda's look fast just sitting still. I think my garage wants one, maybe I will pick one up tomorrow.
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Bad mapping will broke cases.. so MXA wasnt just talking.
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TeamGreen 2/10/2017 1:46pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
It's $1,000 on a REALLY BAD DAY!
rmgsxr wrote:
Set up your camera and lets watch you install one. Let's see how many labor hours it takes you.
Well, I was allowing about $300 for labor...

But, the closest I get to installing one is when I hit the button on the RX.



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