Anybody moto with a partial wrist fusion?

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7/7/2016 10:03am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2018 7:19am
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side.
Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial fusion. Won't know for sure until he opens it up.
I was just wondering if anyone it there has had this done and how badly it affects them.

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I inquired about this like a month ago, everyones too concerned about giving barcia riding tips or some nonsense to actually answer a question. minus one person. I have a scaffoid I broke in 2011, it started bothering me about 2 months ago out of the blue, dr said the bone never healed (even thought they told me it healed after 3 months in a cast) and the bone is now dead. They want to go in and take mine out and do a 4 point fusion/partial fusion. Problem is at 25 years old I dont know if itll hold up a life time or I'll mess it up again and need a full fusion and then really no riding. so Im right there with you Greenbush. if you come across anything moto related on fusions let me know too.
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7/7/2016 6:30pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2016 6:32pm
I'm wondering the same thing about partial fusion and even full fusion on right wrist. When I was 17 I broke my scaphoid navicular and though it was just a bad sprain so I continued racing and pushing through and it just kept getting worse. When I finally went to Dr. I found out it was broke and the half of the bone that didn't get any blood flow due to the break had died. My orthopedic hand specialist said all he could do was plate and screw it together and see how it does. The dr. Did say that it wouldn't last forever and it held up for the next 13 years or so with racing and riding the whole time , it became progressively worse so I went back to the original dr. That did the surgery when I was 17 and had Mri done the plate and screw had broken loose and my schaphoid was in pieces. The dr. Told me the only choice I had was a full fusion or to remove what was left of my schaphoid navicular bone. At that time I was still able to ride just had a lot of pain and about 40% range of movement left in wrist. My dr said the bone removal surgery had an 80% success rate. So I agreed to surgery and had bone removed. That was the worse decision I could've made. My wrist is ruined I have about 20% range of motion and can't support my weight when I'm standing leaning forward on the bike. All the little bones that are still in my wrist have shifted into the empty space that was my navicular. I've been to 3 other hand / wrist specialist to see if anything can be done but they all tell me the only thing left is a full fusion. Before the bone removal I was able to ride and now I can't. Sorry for the long post just wanted to put my whole situation out there and see if anyone rides with a fully fused wrist and how that is.
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I have a friend that broke his very badly a long time ago, resulting in partial fusion of the right wrist. He returned to riding with a thumb throttle, and raced A class for several years !!
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Mxjeff thanks for the insight I think I'm going to go through with the full fusion And try a thumb throttle. with the way it is now I can't ride so the thumb throttle with a fused wrist sounds like my only option if I want to ride again

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Yes I do, and it hurts every day. But that's the crazy thing about this sport, it's so addictive....I can't quit!

Luckily for me, it's my left wrist so the only disadvantage (other than the constant pain) is a slight loss of strength and it's tough to have proper form on the bike without much range of motion in that wrist.

Definitely getting a full fusion (to help reduce the pain) once my moto days are done......so when I'm about 80 haha
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Wow,
None of it sounds to promising.
Doc sez fusion is the worst case scenario,
Pray to god it doesn't go that way.
Thanks everyone.
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7/8/2016 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 7/8/2016 6:19pm
Ok, I think I can shed some light (without diagnosing or treating). I read in an above post that a dr. said a scaphoid fx was healed in 3 months. Im not doubting that but would have been still newly healed which still leaves it very vulnerable. If pinning and grafting are being mentioned then the chances of it healing are slim. Next, fusion usually gets mentioned because it hasnt healed and is probably necrotic. Scaphoid (whether it is in the wrist or foot) gets very little blood flow (that is why it is widely considered one of, if not the, worst bones to break, healing wise).

Furthermore, if you are older than say 20, your chances of healing is reduced.

Fusion usually involves removing the scaph bone and fusing nearby bones to promote stability, hopefully. Each case can be different but suffice it to say, that the mention of fusion usually means that you are currently out of options or very close. Another thing to look foward to, is scaphoid injuries accelerates arthritis.

More often than not, scaph fracture is hard to be verified on x-ray. So if the x-ray is negative, protocol says to get an MRI. Positive "snuff box" pain assumes fracture right off the bat until proven otherwise. With an initial negative x-ray, it is still considered a fracture. May point is, when you are released, a follow up x-ray/MRI should be done to verify proper healing.

Finally, Jimmy Alberston had one removed. Perhaps, if one could find an article where he talks about it, it could possibly shed some light on how it feels in an MX setting. I have no idea how one could find an article (if one even exists) but it doesnt hurt to try because it would give insight to how it pertains to motocross.

Finally, Barcia has had a scaphoid fracture. So, it could be bothering him as they can cause problems forever ( its the gift that keeps on giving). Also, Cooper riding at the level he is with the recent scaphoid fracture says a lot about his toughness.

Hope I helped some. Forgive my iPhone grammar and spelling.
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Ive been riding with 25% wrist movement since i dislocated mine in 1996. they put a screw in the scaphoid, pins also around the ligaments. I think i twist the throttle more with my fingers, but was told you're supposed to twist more with your arm, than your wrist.
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I've had my scaphoid bone and several others pinned along with tendon reattachment in my left wrist. It was a full year to get back to 80% movement along with strength ...and through much PT. But now as I approach 45 years in the meat business where I still part out a herd on certain events, it's my right wrist and arthritis that makes my left wrist feel stellar. I don't notice it so much when I'm on a track as adrenaline and focus puts it out of my mind. However trail riding and dual sport rides make the pain and limited movement all to obvious the direction I'm headed.
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Greenbush wrote:
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side. Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial...
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side.
Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial fusion. Won't know for sure until he opens it up.
I was just wondering if anyone it there has had this done and how badly it affects them.

I have to run to the store right now, but I will give you the full inside info on wrist injuries and wrist fusion. I had my right wrist fully fused three years ago. I'll fill you in when I get back...don't get your wrist fused in the meantime!
7/19/2016 6:58pm
mxjeff575 wrote:
I have a friend that broke his very badly a long time ago, resulting in partial fusion of the right wrist. He returned to riding with...
I have a friend that broke his very badly a long time ago, resulting in partial fusion of the right wrist. He returned to riding with a thumb throttle, and raced A class for several years !!
Where the hell did you get a thumb throttle for a motorcycle? Thought they don't match up in the carb?
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Greenbush wrote:
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side. Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial...
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side.
Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial fusion. Won't know for sure until he opens it up.
I was just wondering if anyone it there has had this done and how badly it affects them.

Bauer wrote:
I have to run to the store right now, but I will give you the full inside info on wrist injuries and wrist fusion. I had...
I have to run to the store right now, but I will give you the full inside info on wrist injuries and wrist fusion. I had my right wrist fully fused three years ago. I'll fill you in when I get back...don't get your wrist fused in the meantime!
Have you finished running the store?

I'm interested to hear your experience.
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Greenbush wrote:
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side. Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial...
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side.
Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial fusion. Won't know for sure until he opens it up.
I was just wondering if anyone it there has had this done and how badly it affects them.

I don't know anything about wrist fusion, but your avatar might be the single coolest photo I've seen in a while. Smile
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Greenbush wrote:
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side. Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial...
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side.
Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial fusion. Won't know for sure until he opens it up.
I was just wondering if anyone it there has had this done and how badly it affects them.

GuyB wrote:
I don't know anything about wrist fusion, but your avatar might be the single coolest photo I've seen in a while. Smile
Hey thanks. I thought so too.
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Greenbush wrote:
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side. Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial...
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side.
Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial fusion. Won't know for sure until he opens it up.
I was just wondering if anyone it there has had this done and how badly it affects them.

GuyB wrote:
I don't know anything about wrist fusion, but your avatar might be the single coolest photo I've seen in a while. Smile
Greenbush wrote:
Hey thanks. I thought so too.
How did it go for you, did you get the fusion?
Can you give me your tail of 3 scaiphod surgeries? Any miraculous recovery tips?
Cheers Paul
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Greenbush wrote:
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side. Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial...
I'm going in for surgery on my scaphoid for the third time. Throttle side.
Dr says there's s possibility they may need to do a partial fusion. Won't know for sure until he opens it up.
I was just wondering if anyone it there has had this done and how badly it affects them.

Fusing will reduce your pain and reduce your range of motion. You will be able to ride better with it done than without it being done.
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mxjeff575 wrote:
I have a friend that broke his very badly a long time ago, resulting in partial fusion of the right wrist. He returned to riding with...
I have a friend that broke his very badly a long time ago, resulting in partial fusion of the right wrist. He returned to riding with a thumb throttle, and raced A class for several years !!
Where the hell did you get a thumb throttle for a motorcycle? Thought they don't match up in the carb?

Used to run against a guy that did the thumb throttle thing on a cr250.
Told me he rigged one up off a quad, apparently that's what quads use, thumb throttles.
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GuyB wrote:
I don't know anything about wrist fusion, but your avatar might be the single coolest photo I've seen in a while. Smile
Greenbush wrote:
Hey thanks. I thought so too.
Badd127 wrote:
How did it go for you, did you get the fusion? Can you give me your tail of 3 scaiphod surgeries? Any miraculous recovery tips? Cheers...
How did it go for you, did you get the fusion?
Can you give me your tail of 3 scaiphod surgeries? Any miraculous recovery tips?
Cheers Paul
Well,let’s see, it been quite the journey so I’ll try to make it short.
In January of this year, I went in for the fourth surgery supposedly to cut down the scaphoid wich was screwed together in the 3rd surgery, I was still
Having a lot of pain and the doc thought the bone was rubbing on the ulna? Or some other bone, I’m not sure. anyways, once he opened me up he discovered the scaphoid was basically dying and coming apart so he decided to excise it and do what is called a four corner fusion. Before the surgery he said there is a slight chance of this happening but not to worry so needless to say I was pretty bummed when I woke up. But I trust the guy, he has a stellar reputation in the area. I feel it was the best decision. After a short rehab and some physical therapy I was cleared to go back to work and basically do whatever my pain level let’s me do. Doc says it’s as strong as ever after 6-8 weeks, probably stronger than before. It hurt pretty good throughout the summer but I stretched and exercised it regularly and by July started to ride again, with the help of the new Mobius wrist brace.(highly recommend it by the way). By October I was racing again, some Moto, mostly hare scrambles. To be honest the last time I rode my wrist never crossed my mind, all the other old motocross aches and pains seemed to have come back ten fold but I’ll cross that bridge later. They say by 12-18 months I’ll have 40% ROM back and 90% strength back with little or no pain and a very small chance of developing arthritis later and I believe it. The biggest issue I have is applying throttle while standing up. I installed a quick turn throttle and it helped some. So, all in all the whole deal sucked but I think the partial
Fusion was the right thing to do and by 2018 I’ll be back to where I was.
Hope this helps.
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If there is one thing this post has taught me, its to be thankful that when I shattered my wrist, it was my clutch hand and I only lost about 40% movement.
Oh and it also taught me to BUY SOME DAMN WRIST BRACES Laughing
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Greenbush wrote:
Hey thanks. I thought so too.
Badd127 wrote:
How did it go for you, did you get the fusion? Can you give me your tail of 3 scaiphod surgeries? Any miraculous recovery tips? Cheers...
How did it go for you, did you get the fusion?
Can you give me your tail of 3 scaiphod surgeries? Any miraculous recovery tips?
Cheers Paul
Greenbush wrote:
Well,let’s see, it been quite the journey so I’ll try to make it short. In January of this year, I went in for the fourth surgery...
Well,let’s see, it been quite the journey so I’ll try to make it short.
In January of this year, I went in for the fourth surgery supposedly to cut down the scaphoid wich was screwed together in the 3rd surgery, I was still
Having a lot of pain and the doc thought the bone was rubbing on the ulna? Or some other bone, I’m not sure. anyways, once he opened me up he discovered the scaphoid was basically dying and coming apart so he decided to excise it and do what is called a four corner fusion. Before the surgery he said there is a slight chance of this happening but not to worry so needless to say I was pretty bummed when I woke up. But I trust the guy, he has a stellar reputation in the area. I feel it was the best decision. After a short rehab and some physical therapy I was cleared to go back to work and basically do whatever my pain level let’s me do. Doc says it’s as strong as ever after 6-8 weeks, probably stronger than before. It hurt pretty good throughout the summer but I stretched and exercised it regularly and by July started to ride again, with the help of the new Mobius wrist brace.(highly recommend it by the way). By October I was racing again, some Moto, mostly hare scrambles. To be honest the last time I rode my wrist never crossed my mind, all the other old motocross aches and pains seemed to have come back ten fold but I’ll cross that bridge later. They say by 12-18 months I’ll have 40% ROM back and 90% strength back with little or no pain and a very small chance of developing arthritis later and I believe it. The biggest issue I have is applying throttle while standing up. I installed a quick turn throttle and it helped some. So, all in all the whole deal sucked but I think the partial
Fusion was the right thing to do and by 2018 I’ll be back to where I was.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for telling your story.

I'm at the beginning of my scaphoid story. Went over the bars 3 months ago. I dislocated the wrist broke and the scaphoid and a few other bones, tore two ligaments, that were surgically repaired. Just had another x-ray and only one side of the screw is healing with the scaphoid, and one part of the bone looks to possibly be dieing.Sad
The scar tissue is giving me problems also, I have a good scar on my palm and back of my hand.
I was hoping to be able to ride buy January, as I'm all paid up for on a MX holiday in califonia, for A1.
But after reading all the scaphoid horror stories I think I will just leave my gear at home.

I also wanted to know if anyone has had any luck with any sort of supplements, like silica, vitamin D, calcium. Or any sort of electronic stimulation devices/ultrasound? To help recovery.

I will definitely be getting a mobius brace when I'm in the US.









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Badd127 wrote:
Thanks for telling your story. I'm at the beginning of my scaphoid story. Went over the bars 3 months ago. I dislocated the wrist broke and...
Thanks for telling your story.

I'm at the beginning of my scaphoid story. Went over the bars 3 months ago. I dislocated the wrist broke and the scaphoid and a few other bones, tore two ligaments, that were surgically repaired. Just had another x-ray and only one side of the screw is healing with the scaphoid, and one part of the bone looks to possibly be dieing.Sad
The scar tissue is giving me problems also, I have a good scar on my palm and back of my hand.
I was hoping to be able to ride buy January, as I'm all paid up for on a MX holiday in califonia, for A1.
But after reading all the scaphoid horror stories I think I will just leave my gear at home.

I also wanted to know if anyone has had any luck with any sort of supplements, like silica, vitamin D, calcium. Or any sort of electronic stimulation devices/ultrasound? To help recovery.

I will definitely be getting a mobius brace when I'm in the US.









Wow dude, that DOES NOT look
Good, I feel for you, good luck wit recovery.
As far as supplements/stim I don’t think the y do much, if anything at all. During recovery of my surgery in wich they screwed the scaphoid together I had the latest and greatest stim machine and the bone didn’t heal at all. I tried all tried all sorts of supplements also during that time wich I don’t think did anything.

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Badd127 wrote:
Thanks for telling your story. I'm at the beginning of my scaphoid story. Went over the bars 3 months ago. I dislocated the wrist broke and...
Thanks for telling your story.

I'm at the beginning of my scaphoid story. Went over the bars 3 months ago. I dislocated the wrist broke and the scaphoid and a few other bones, tore two ligaments, that were surgically repaired. Just had another x-ray and only one side of the screw is healing with the scaphoid, and one part of the bone looks to possibly be dieing.Sad
The scar tissue is giving me problems also, I have a good scar on my palm and back of my hand.
I was hoping to be able to ride buy January, as I'm all paid up for on a MX holiday in califonia, for A1.
But after reading all the scaphoid horror stories I think I will just leave my gear at home.

I also wanted to know if anyone has had any luck with any sort of supplements, like silica, vitamin D, calcium. Or any sort of electronic stimulation devices/ultrasound? To help recovery.

I will definitely be getting a mobius brace when I'm in the US.









Greenbush wrote:
Wow dude, that DOES NOT look Good, I feel for you, good luck wit recovery. As far as supplements/stim I don’t think the y do much...
Wow dude, that DOES NOT look
Good, I feel for you, good luck wit recovery.
As far as supplements/stim I don’t think the y do much, if anything at all. During recovery of my surgery in wich they screwed the scaphoid together I had the latest and greatest stim machine and the bone didn’t heal at all. I tried all tried all sorts of supplements also during that time wich I don’t think did anything.

Yeah, I asked my surgeon all the same question's about supplements, and stimulating machines. He said the same thing, he doesn't think they do anything to help. But I thort I would ask anyway. I guess your first hand experience backs up his statement.
I was lucky that I live in Stockholm Sweden, and we have the countries main hand injury surgery/hospital here.
I went in for surgery the morning after the injury, when I woke up and asked the surgeon how was it? He just said "bad". He keeps telling me how bad it was, but only after reading all the scaphoid threads on here has it really started to sink in, that it could be a long road.
The scaphoid was shattered and out of its socket.

Huge respect for roczen to be back on the bike after only 7 months, as from what I've read he did similar to his wrist, plus he shattered his arm and elbow, the fact that my two small scars are giving me problems, and they are nothing compared to his crazy scars.
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There is no shortage of wrist injuries in motocross. You’ll get 100 different answers for one question. One thing for sure, if that little bone ain’t healed don’t ride.
1/10/2018 8:00pm
Hi thanks to everyone for sharing your stories as I am currently looking to see how everyone else is dealing with this type of injury and if it means that racing and riding is gonna be over for me. The Doc said today at my check up that a wrist fusion is inevitable at some point due to the cartilage trauma my wrist had and she said she's not sure how soon I will need it but arthritis is gonna set in big time at some point. Right now I am getting really good movement in my wrist and getting better every week so it was crappy to hear that today but at least she didn't beat around the bush. I'm going to be getting a möbius wrist brace as I see that was a must for Roczen and hopefully it helps to keep the fusion away for a long time.

1/10/2018 8:04pm




This is what my wrist looks like now, so a lot better but still a bit painful and stiff. It's been just over 4 months since crash.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/01/10/237276/s1200_IMG_0121.jpg[/img] Hi thanks to everyone for sharing your stories as I am currently looking to see how everyone else is dealing with this type of injury...
Hi thanks to everyone for sharing your stories as I am currently looking to see how everyone else is dealing with this type of injury and if it means that racing and riding is gonna be over for me. The Doc said today at my check up that a wrist fusion is inevitable at some point due to the cartilage trauma my wrist had and she said she's not sure how soon I will need it but arthritis is gonna set in big time at some point. Right now I am getting really good movement in my wrist and getting better every week so it was crappy to hear that today but at least she didn't beat around the bush. I'm going to be getting a möbius wrist brace as I see that was a must for Roczen and hopefully it helps to keep the fusion away for a long time.

SWEET JESUS Sick
Probably one of the worst wrist injuries ive seen. Best of luck to you man. Just bought myself a Mobius brace, if theres a dealership near you that has them in stock, go try one on. Theyre actually pretty comfortable. Have yet to ride with it yet, just tried it on when I bought it.
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Badd127 wrote:
Thanks for telling your story. I'm at the beginning of my scaphoid story. Went over the bars 3 months ago. I dislocated the wrist broke and...
Thanks for telling your story.

I'm at the beginning of my scaphoid story. Went over the bars 3 months ago. I dislocated the wrist broke and the scaphoid and a few other bones, tore two ligaments, that were surgically repaired. Just had another x-ray and only one side of the screw is healing with the scaphoid, and one part of the bone looks to possibly be dieing.Sad
The scar tissue is giving me problems also, I have a good scar on my palm and back of my hand.
I was hoping to be able to ride buy January, as I'm all paid up for on a MX holiday in califonia, for A1.
But after reading all the scaphoid horror stories I think I will just leave my gear at home.

I also wanted to know if anyone has had any luck with any sort of supplements, like silica, vitamin D, calcium. Or any sort of electronic stimulation devices/ultrasound? To help recovery.

I will definitely be getting a mobius brace when I'm in the US.









Transscaphoid and perilunate dislocation? That's a bad injury for sure. Sad
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has to be worst area to injure right after spine. riding with broken ankles, legs, collar bone etc is much easier than having completely messed up wrists.

happened to me way more times than I deserve. Ive also rebroken it after many times. its a complete mess. I have very limited range of motion so I run a modified quick turn throttle to be even quicker. going to be interesting what I have to do to my new mv agusta f3 race bike.



best wishes.
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Full fusion, right wrist about 10 years ago, after super painful 4 corner fusion...
I now ride with a left handed throttle and a recluse. Looking forward to one day getting an Alta switching it to left throttle and forgetting about it.

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