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6/4/2016 1:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2016 4:51pm
What happened to his bike?
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6/4/2016 1:28pm
they just said altitude sickness. already leaving to get on a plane back home.
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6/4/2016 1:31pm
Quote from Mayo Clinic website -

"Mild altitude sickness is common. Experts do not know who will get it and who will not. Neither your fitness level nor being male or female plays a role in whether you get altitude sickness"

So nothing to do with fitness.
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neysbo wrote:
Quote from Mayo Clinic website - "Mild altitude sickness is common. Experts do not know who will get it and who will not. Neither your fitness...
Quote from Mayo Clinic website -

"Mild altitude sickness is common. Experts do not know who will get it and who will not. Neither your fitness level nor being male or female plays a role in whether you get altitude sickness"

So nothing to do with fitness.
Hasn't Anderson raced there before? I guess I've never heard of "altitude sickness" before. Hmmm... Blink
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6/4/2016 1:57pm
davistld01 wrote:
Hasn't Anderson raced there before? I guess I've never heard of "altitude sickness" before. Hmmm... Blink
Seems odd it'd be that bad at only 6,100 feet. I guess if your used to being at sea level that it's quite the change.

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neysbo wrote:
Quote from Mayo Clinic website - "Mild altitude sickness is common. Experts do not know who will get it and who will not. Neither your fitness...
Quote from Mayo Clinic website -

"Mild altitude sickness is common. Experts do not know who will get it and who will not. Neither your fitness level nor being male or female plays a role in whether you get altitude sickness"

So nothing to do with fitness.
davistld01 wrote:
Hasn't Anderson raced there before? I guess I've never heard of "altitude sickness" before. Hmmm... Blink
I really had never heard of it either but after researching it , it can be pretty serious and does not seem to be a way to now if it will affect you or not. Yes kind of weird to cause he has raced there before so who knows maybe that is just what the team is using as the excuse.
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6/4/2016 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 2:42pm
neysbo wrote:
Quote from Mayo Clinic website - "Mild altitude sickness is common. Experts do not know who will get it and who will not. Neither your fitness...
Quote from Mayo Clinic website -

"Mild altitude sickness is common. Experts do not know who will get it and who will not. Neither your fitness level nor being male or female plays a role in whether you get altitude sickness"

So nothing to do with fitness.
Its based on how many O2 molecules attach to the heme. At lower levels, one would never know. FWIW, this is the concept of blood doping. Add more O2 molecules to the heme, and guess what happens?

The only way to prepare for it is to have a molecular breakdown done, and then add something like Epogen to assure molecular attachment. Hence, the reason it is illegal.
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They said on the broadcast that he's had problems with attitude sickness is the past.

I've had it before but more of the headaches and nausea. I definitely wouldn't be able to race 30min +2 feeling the way I did..
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6/4/2016 2:32pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 2:48pm
davistld01 wrote:
Hasn't Anderson raced there before? I guess I've never heard of "altitude sickness" before. Hmmm... Blink
LungButter wrote:
Seems odd it'd be that bad at only 6,100 feet. I guess if your used to being at sea level that it's quite the change.
6100 feet is significant. Based on the pressure gradient of high to low. Having that been said, its worth looking deeper into before that is exactly what this is. Highly likely thats what it is but there are certainly some things to look into.
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6/4/2016 3:12pm
kzizok wrote:
6100 feet is significant. Based on the pressure gradient of high to low. Having that been said, its worth looking deeper into before that is exactly...
6100 feet is significant. Based on the pressure gradient of high to low. Having that been said, its worth looking deeper into before that is exactly what this is. Highly likely thats what it is but there are certainly some things to look into.
I probably have a skewed view since I grew up/live in the mountains. In my experiences I can't tell much difference in the air or how I feel until I get to about 10k or higher.
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6/4/2016 3:20pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 3:23pm
kzizok wrote:
6100 feet is significant. Based on the pressure gradient of high to low. Having that been said, its worth looking deeper into before that is exactly...
6100 feet is significant. Based on the pressure gradient of high to low. Having that been said, its worth looking deeper into before that is exactly what this is. Highly likely thats what it is but there are certainly some things to look into.
LungButter wrote:
I probably have a skewed view since I grew up/live in the mountains. In my experiences I can't tell much difference in the air or how...
I probably have a skewed view since I grew up/live in the mountains. In my experiences I can't tell much difference in the air or how I feel until I get to about 10k or higher.
Earlier I said the only way to prepare is through Epo, etc. I should have said in a relatively quick time. Your body will adjust over time. If you are from a high altitude you'll never know the differnece. Quite frankly, it will be a weird concept. Not unlike sea sickness for people who are used to deep sea boating, etc. And no, Im not saying their mechanism of action is similar.
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kzizok wrote:
6100 feet is significant. Based on the pressure gradient of high to low. Having that been said, its worth looking deeper into before that is exactly...
6100 feet is significant. Based on the pressure gradient of high to low. Having that been said, its worth looking deeper into before that is exactly what this is. Highly likely thats what it is but there are certainly some things to look into.
LungButter wrote:
I probably have a skewed view since I grew up/live in the mountains. In my experiences I can't tell much difference in the air or how...
I probably have a skewed view since I grew up/live in the mountains. In my experiences I can't tell much difference in the air or how I feel until I get to about 10k or higher.
kzizok wrote:
Earlier I said the only way to prepare is through Epo, etc. I should have said in a relatively quick time. Your body will adjust over...
Earlier I said the only way to prepare is through Epo, etc. I should have said in a relatively quick time. Your body will adjust over time. If you are from a high altitude you'll never know the differnece. Quite frankly, it will be a weird concept. Not unlike sea sickness for people who are used to deep sea boating, etc. And no, Im not saying their mechanism of action is similar.
I've gotten altitude sickness twice snow skiing. Holy shit, it kicked my ass. Different both times too.
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6/4/2016 3:26pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 3:27pm
LungButter wrote:
I probably have a skewed view since I grew up/live in the mountains. In my experiences I can't tell much difference in the air or how...
I probably have a skewed view since I grew up/live in the mountains. In my experiences I can't tell much difference in the air or how I feel until I get to about 10k or higher.
kzizok wrote:
Earlier I said the only way to prepare is through Epo, etc. I should have said in a relatively quick time. Your body will adjust over...
Earlier I said the only way to prepare is through Epo, etc. I should have said in a relatively quick time. Your body will adjust over time. If you are from a high altitude you'll never know the differnece. Quite frankly, it will be a weird concept. Not unlike sea sickness for people who are used to deep sea boating, etc. And no, Im not saying their mechanism of action is similar.
rpoint116 wrote:
I've gotten altitude sickness twice snow skiing. Holy shit, it kicked my ass. Different both times too.
Exactly. Ive had times where just going up stairs I could tell I was SOB. It sucks.
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6/4/2016 3:40pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 3:40pm
Mammoth Mountain MX kicked my ass.

The next year I went up a week early and had zero issues.

Weird for sure.
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6/4/2016 3:53pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 3:55pm
Alb, NM @ 5,300 ft??
Yep. Should be used to it he lived here most of his life.
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Alb, NM @ 5,300 ft??
JWACK wrote:
Yep. Should be used to it he lived here most of his life.
True but, he now lives in FL at pretty close to sea level.
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6/4/2016 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 4:04pm
Had the beginnings of it at 14000ft ... was running around with my nieces and nephews on top of Rocky Mt Nat Park for about 25min ... that was it done ... good thing we had the remainder the keg from my sisters wedding the night before my trunk.

Lots of oxygen in a local pale ale ....
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Spent tons of time skiing in Utah as a kid, never got it... Went to Denver for MXdN and got it... Worst cold chills ever, couldn't function, felt like a severe flu.
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ML512 wrote:
Spent tons of time skiing in Utah as a kid, never got it... Went to Denver for MXdN and got it... Worst cold chills ever, couldn't...
Spent tons of time skiing in Utah as a kid, never got it... Went to Denver for MXdN and got it... Worst cold chills ever, couldn't function, felt like a severe flu.
Always got it in Colorado but never at highest points in NM.

Anderson is from New Mexico. Doesn't mean he spends much time there.
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6/4/2016 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 4:23pm
Alb, NM @ 5,300 ft??
JWACK wrote:
Yep. Should be used to it he lived here most of his life.
BAMX wrote:
True but, he now lives in FL at pretty close to sea level.
There is your answer. Assuming it is altitude sickness.
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Altitude sickness is no joke. I grew up in Flagstaff Arizona (7,000ft) and worked/grew up at the local ski resort (Snowbowl 9,500 - 11,500ft) so I was acclimated to the elevation. The first time I got it was skiing as a kid and I spent the day in the Ski Patrol Shack. The second time I was hiking on the mountain at about 8,000ft when it struck. That time it was totally debilitating. I sat down and tried to wait it but it never went away. It did however clear up as soon as I managed to get myself to around 7,500ft but it literally took crawling at some points to get there. Major props to JA for even trying to ride with it.
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LungButter wrote:
Seems odd it'd be that bad at only 6,100 feet. I guess if your used to being at sea level that it's quite the change.
I saw EI Dave this morning, and he said he was suffering from it.
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Alb, NM @ 5,300 ft??
He's from edgewood which is about 6700.


I think this is another symptom of aldon's overly rigorous program.
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LungButter wrote:
Seems odd it'd be that bad at only 6,100 feet. I guess if your used to being at sea level that it's quite the change.
GuyB wrote:
I saw EI Dave this morning, and he said he was suffering from it.
probably doesn't help with the pollution up there too.
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He's from edgewood which is about 6700.


I think this is another symptom of aldon's overly rigorous program.
Ando hasn't been in the area for riding or any extended period of time for a few years now. Jason also mentioned he's suffered from it before, so he's aware of the symptoms.
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Had it two years ago snowboarding at Copper Mountain. Flat out kicked my ass.
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6/4/2016 5:48pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2016 5:57pm
Another way to think of it is like this: for whatever reason, he has less O2 per cell to oxygenate what his body needs. At lower levels, its adequate. However, at altitude it does not suffice well enough for the extreme requirements (relative to baseline). Add in the heart going at about 180'ish bpm, with lower levels of O2 and the body gets starved for O2 at an alarming rate.

In contrast, if he is able to "over oxygenate" for what his body requires, he then would have a performance advantage. Welcome to high level cycling doping issues. They take it to a more extreme by using epo and transfusing higher O2 blood. Does that make sense?
6/4/2016 6:13pm
It had nothing to do with altitude, he was still scared of the payback from Tomac. Also, that's Eli was so pissed, he has to wait another 2 weeks to punt him.
6/4/2016 6:14pm
rpoint116 wrote:
What happened to his bike?
Yep.
Oxygen would probably be the same as recieving IV fluids in between motos per the rule book not allowed to continue the day. Atleast that's how some interpret it?
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If he was headed to Florida that would be a terrible 3 hr flight at an even higher elevation.

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