Anaheim 2 attendance

jmx411
Posts
1257
Joined
4/19/2009
Location
Leesville, SC US
1/24/2016 6:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/27/2016 7:35pm
I know this topic gets brought up every week but I feel it's important to see the strength and growth of our sport.

Place looked absolutely packed on tv last night but Feld official attendance (which I know they exaggerate and doesn't reflect actual number of people) was listed as less than Anaheim 1. I sure thought it was another sellout.
|
TeamGreen
Posts
28681
Joined
11/25/2008
Location
Thru-out, CA US
1/24/2016 6:38pm
From inside the stadium, it looked like there were twice as many people as A1.
KirkChandler
Posts
1667
Joined
7/31/2015
Location
Oceanside, CA US
Fantasy
357th
1/24/2016 6:40pm
It looked full. Made SD1 look like a ghost town.
jmx411
Posts
1257
Joined
4/19/2009
Location
Leesville, SC US
1/24/2016 6:43pm
TeamGreen wrote:
From inside the stadium, it looked like there were twice as many people as A1.
That's why I was shocked it wasn't a sellout. Every section looked full unlike A1 which has sections look half full
KirkChandler
Posts
1667
Joined
7/31/2015
Location
Oceanside, CA US
Fantasy
357th
1/24/2016 6:49pm
A1 is notorious for selling out so scalpers will buy blocks of tickets on the hope of selling them above face value. A2 normally isn't sold out, (while A3 has been in the past,) so maybe there were still some tickets left at the box office since the scalpers didn't buy them. But it was full.

The Shop

Stephon
Posts
1811
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Hollywood, CA US
1/24/2016 7:24pm
I was surprised at how it filled up. I don't think it was sold out though.

I wonder what happens to the scalpers investments for the blocks of tickets that go unsold. Do they somehow insurance them?
dkg
Posts
1863
Joined
9/12/2010
Location
Rancho Cucamonga, CA US
1/24/2016 10:09pm
Looked to me about 80-90% attendance. Some areas had blocks that were empty. Definitely more present than A1, but, I thought A1 was down because of weather concerns.
avidchimp
Posts
4511
Joined
7/9/2008
Location
Thousand Oaks, CA US
Fantasy
1102nd
1/24/2016 10:46pm
I'd say 38,000'ish actual attendance. Now, about Diego Dos.....
40Plus_922mx
Posts
2901
Joined
4/17/2009
Location
High Desert, CA US
1/24/2016 10:46pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2016 10:47pm
A2 seats were ablut 85-90% full. I only saw a few large blocks of empty seats in the 3 sections above home plate.
ReganFP
Posts
22
Joined
1/23/2016
Location
Glendale, AZ US
1/26/2016 6:03am
I'm interested to see how Phoenix does this year moving from 48,000 seat Chase Field to 60,000+ seat UOP Stadium.
jmx411
Posts
1257
Joined
4/19/2009
Location
Leesville, SC US
1/26/2016 6:47am
ReganFP wrote:
I'm interested to see how Phoenix does this year moving from 48,000 seat Chase Field to 60,000+ seat UOP Stadium.
Bottom and club sections will be full while upper deck with only have around 20%.
endurox
Posts
1873
Joined
3/22/2014
Location
Garden City, ID US
1/26/2016 6:53am
What is the price of upper deck seating these days?
enketchum
Posts
3785
Joined
2/6/2012
Location
CA US
1/26/2016 7:25am
endurox wrote:
What is the price of upper deck seating these days?
40 for 500s
65 for 400s
1/26/2016 9:48am
Stephon wrote:
I was surprised at how it filled up. I don't think it was sold out though. I wonder what happens to the scalpers investments for the...
I was surprised at how it filled up. I don't think it was sold out though.

I wonder what happens to the scalpers investments for the blocks of tickets that go unsold. Do they somehow insurance them?
it's actually a sad story. I bro'd down with a ticket wholeseller. He's the guy who goes down to the stadium and online and buys 100's of the best tickets as soon as they go on sale, with hopes of making a 20-50% markup on them. I would call the guy the day of the race and see if he had any Club section seats left over, often times he did, and many others, but wouldn't sell them for less then 20% over retail. The common sense move would be to sell them for at least cost, so you don't lose. But he was not allowed to. They would literally let the tickets go to waste before they would sell them at cost. His point was, if everyone knew they would sell them at cost, then everyone would simply wait until the last minute and buy them all at cost, so they would rather lose.

It's a nasty, very stressful business according to "Bob".

1/26/2016 9:57am
Growth of the sport... I remember attendance numbers of 60,000+ in the mid-late 90'a and very early 2000's at almost every event. I clearly remember Art Echman stating many times we have over 60,000 or even 70,000 in attendance many, many times.
jmx411
Posts
1257
Joined
4/19/2009
Location
Leesville, SC US
1/26/2016 10:29am
Growth of the sport... I remember attendance numbers of 60,000+ in the mid-late 90'a and very early 2000's at almost every event. I clearly remember Art...
Growth of the sport... I remember attendance numbers of 60,000+ in the mid-late 90'a and very early 2000's at almost every event. I clearly remember Art Echman stating many times we have over 60,000 or even 70,000 in attendance many, many times.
Well Angel Stadium only holds 45,000. Petco is around 45,000 so having 60,000-70,000 would be impossible. When they go to Indy, Atlanta, New York, New England, St. Louis and Dallas they will have 55,000-70,000 for the races.

Also, when Art Echman was announcing the races weren't shown until the next week.
GuyB
Posts
35693
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA US
Fantasy
1274th
1/26/2016 11:17am Edited Date/Time 1/26/2016 11:18am
jmx411 wrote:
Well Angel Stadium only holds 45,000. Petco is around 45,000 so having 60,000-70,000 would be impossible. When they go to Indy, Atlanta, New York, New England...
Well Angel Stadium only holds 45,000. Petco is around 45,000 so having 60,000-70,000 would be impossible. When they go to Indy, Atlanta, New York, New England, St. Louis and Dallas they will have 55,000-70,000 for the races.

Also, when Art Echman was announcing the races weren't shown until the next week.
When the Rams played in Anaheim, and it was configured as a football stadium, it would hold around 70K. Back in the day, you would get crowds like that.

After they moved, they knocked down huge sections of the grandstands in the outfield, and you get what we have now.
40Plus_922mx
Posts
2901
Joined
4/17/2009
Location
High Desert, CA US
1/26/2016 11:29am
The general reason for dropping attendance is because the ticket prices have gone nuts and the TV package is awesome.

On another note, venue changing has it's effects too. In my opinion moving the race to Petco pulls the event further away from people that would have commuted to Qualcomm. Putting it downtown (as pretty as it is), takes it further away from the OC and Temecula Valley areas. San Diegan's already attended the Qualcomm, it's proximity pulled out-of-towners. So sticking it downtown makes no sense as far as attracting more people.

Same thing for Glendale vs Downtown Phoenix. Chase field is an awesome venue. The stadium itself is very comfortable for the visitor as the mezzanine goes all the way around the stadium, indoors with food and merch everywhere. Plus you can stay at a hotel in the area and walk to the stadium. The surrounding area is full of shops and restaurants (not to mention TGI Fridays inside the stadium). I am interested to see how many seats sell for Glendale.
40Plus_922mx
Posts
2901
Joined
4/17/2009
Location
High Desert, CA US
1/26/2016 11:38am
This far along in the series Chase Field would have been 80% sold out. Here is a picture of what is available at Glendale for two weeks from now. Anything in any shade of blue is still available. There are gonna be some large empty sections.

1/26/2016 3:35pm
Growth of the sport... I remember attendance numbers of 60,000+ in the mid-late 90'a and very early 2000's at almost every event. I clearly remember Art...
Growth of the sport... I remember attendance numbers of 60,000+ in the mid-late 90'a and very early 2000's at almost every event. I clearly remember Art Echman stating many times we have over 60,000 or even 70,000 in attendance many, many times.
jmx411 wrote:
Well Angel Stadium only holds 45,000. Petco is around 45,000 so having 60,000-70,000 would be impossible. When they go to Indy, Atlanta, New York, New England...
Well Angel Stadium only holds 45,000. Petco is around 45,000 so having 60,000-70,000 would be impossible. When they go to Indy, Atlanta, New York, New England, St. Louis and Dallas they will have 55,000-70,000 for the races.

Also, when Art Echman was announcing the races weren't shown until the next week.
Yep...almost every race back then had massive turnouts.. not every one but most.
Does St. Louis and the other high capacity stadiums have massive turnouts today like they did 15-20 yrs ago?
731chopper
Posts
4077
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
Fantasy
390th
1/26/2016 4:09pm
Growth of the sport... I remember attendance numbers of 60,000+ in the mid-late 90'a and very early 2000's at almost every event. I clearly remember Art...
Growth of the sport... I remember attendance numbers of 60,000+ in the mid-late 90'a and very early 2000's at almost every event. I clearly remember Art Echman stating many times we have over 60,000 or even 70,000 in attendance many, many times.
I think the attendance at Dallas has been pretty consistent around 50k for as long as I can remember - well before we went to Jerry's World. Sometimes it'd be down in the lower 40s and sometimes in the upper 50s. The live event attendance is offset by the TV package, especially in the most recent years since it's been so good.

I go to a lot of NBA games that are not much more than half full yet they get announced as being sold out.
bob567
Posts
767
Joined
7/9/2015
Location
Los Angeles, CA US
1/26/2016 4:12pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2016 4:13pm
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider entry's at the pro level and % of full gates at the local level are the true measure. How are those statistics doing in comparison to 10 years ago?
MX Culture
Posts
3090
Joined
6/19/2009
Location
Lake Geneva, WI US
1/26/2016 4:21pm
Best Anahiem crowd I've seen for a while.
Told my bud before heat 1 that the crowd was way better than A1.
TheGetFresh
Posts
1633
Joined
8/12/2015
Location
COOL GY
Fantasy
2520th
1/26/2016 10:34pm
bob567 wrote:
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider...
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider entry's at the pro level and % of full gates at the local level are the true measure. How are those statistics doing in comparison to 10 years ago?
Wait wut. Attendance is an important metric for popularity. What percentage of the attendees at a Dallas Cowboys game are actually amateur football players? Now him many of the people in the Anaheim stadium have lined up for a gate of their own? Probably a lot more. As much as it sucks, we need fans who've never ever thrown a leg over a bike and race attendance/TV viewership needs to be made up of largely non-rider spectatorsif the sport is going to go beyond core fans. We all want pro pay checks to be higher and we need outside viewers and sponsors for that to happen
jmx411
Posts
1257
Joined
4/19/2009
Location
Leesville, SC US
1/27/2016 9:45am
bob567 wrote:
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider...
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider entry's at the pro level and % of full gates at the local level are the true measure. How are those statistics doing in comparison to 10 years ago?
I got a dirt bike in 97 for Christmas. I would have probably not have thought about dirt bikes if not for seeing it on ESPN 2 back in the day. I would not have thought about racing motocross if not for going to see supercross in person in Charlotte 1998. Next thing I know a week later we are trading in my 4 month old Suzuki JR 80 for a KX 60 and racing two weeks later. Spent the next 5 years racing 30-40 weekends a year until had to give it up for baseball.

Most other parents/kids get in the sport after seeing it live. This is the best sport to see in person and you are hooked once witnessing it. Anyone who thinks having packed stadiums isn't important to the sport is sadly mistaken. Why do you think these motorcycle brands spend so much money competing in this series?
enketchum
Posts
3785
Joined
2/6/2012
Location
CA US
1/27/2016 12:00pm
I remember when the entire stadium at Anaheim would stand up to watch the 250 main. Back when it was a real 250 main event. Even the upper decks would stand as soon as the gate dropped.

sad
731chopper
Posts
4077
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX US
Fantasy
390th
1/27/2016 2:05pm
enketchum wrote:
I remember when the entire stadium at Anaheim would stand up to watch the 250 main. Back when it was a real 250 main event. Even...
I remember when the entire stadium at Anaheim would stand up to watch the 250 main. Back when it was a real 250 main event. Even the upper decks would stand as soon as the gate dropped.

sad
Is that not the way it is now? Last time I went to A1 was when Davi won it in 2013 and I seem to remember it being that way. I was in the front row of the upper level which were killer seats though so I had no need to stand. I definitely remember A1 in 2006 being one where everyone was standing because I had crappy nosebleed seats and could barely see the track with everyone standing.
bob567
Posts
767
Joined
7/9/2015
Location
Los Angeles, CA US
1/27/2016 3:37pm
bob567 wrote:
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider...
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider entry's at the pro level and % of full gates at the local level are the true measure. How are those statistics doing in comparison to 10 years ago?
jmx411 wrote:
I got a dirt bike in 97 for Christmas. I would have probably not have thought about dirt bikes if not for seeing it on ESPN...
I got a dirt bike in 97 for Christmas. I would have probably not have thought about dirt bikes if not for seeing it on ESPN 2 back in the day. I would not have thought about racing motocross if not for going to see supercross in person in Charlotte 1998. Next thing I know a week later we are trading in my 4 month old Suzuki JR 80 for a KX 60 and racing two weeks later. Spent the next 5 years racing 30-40 weekends a year until had to give it up for baseball.

Most other parents/kids get in the sport after seeing it live. This is the best sport to see in person and you are hooked once witnessing it. Anyone who thinks having packed stadiums isn't important to the sport is sadly mistaken. Why do you think these motorcycle brands spend so much money competing in this series?
Ok I'll play. Supercross attendance across 17 rounds and live television has more than doubled the audience in the past 15 years. With your logic there should be a significant increase in participation at the amateur level. Fact is the gates at local races are 50% off what they were 15 years ago.
jmx411
Posts
1257
Joined
4/19/2009
Location
Leesville, SC US
1/27/2016 6:10pm
bob567 wrote:
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider...
Supercross attendance is not a measure of the health of the sport. It means nothing. The riders don't get paid from the door. Quantity of rider entry's at the pro level and % of full gates at the local level are the true measure. How are those statistics doing in comparison to 10 years ago?
jmx411 wrote:
I got a dirt bike in 97 for Christmas. I would have probably not have thought about dirt bikes if not for seeing it on ESPN...
I got a dirt bike in 97 for Christmas. I would have probably not have thought about dirt bikes if not for seeing it on ESPN 2 back in the day. I would not have thought about racing motocross if not for going to see supercross in person in Charlotte 1998. Next thing I know a week later we are trading in my 4 month old Suzuki JR 80 for a KX 60 and racing two weeks later. Spent the next 5 years racing 30-40 weekends a year until had to give it up for baseball.

Most other parents/kids get in the sport after seeing it live. This is the best sport to see in person and you are hooked once witnessing it. Anyone who thinks having packed stadiums isn't important to the sport is sadly mistaken. Why do you think these motorcycle brands spend so much money competing in this series?
bob567 wrote:
Ok I'll play. Supercross attendance across 17 rounds and live television has more than doubled the audience in the past 15 years. With your logic there...
Ok I'll play. Supercross attendance across 17 rounds and live television has more than doubled the audience in the past 15 years. With your logic there should be a significant increase in participation at the amateur level. Fact is the gates at local races are 50% off what they were 15 years ago.
You are right that participation is down. It is more expensive to race now than when I was in early 2000s. I guess I just feel good when stadiums are packed to watch racing when other motor sports like NASCAR is tearing down seating at tracks.
Radman66
Posts
138
Joined
1/27/2016
Location
Los Angeles, CA US
1/27/2016 7:00pm
I personally haven't gone to as many recently as I used to due to the ticket prices/tv package. It used to be $27 for the 400 level... Now they're up around 65 or so. Throw in $12 a beer, $20 for parking, and all the sudden a night at supercross is pretty pricey. Watching at home live on tv free of cost is a no brainer to me

Post a reply to: Anaheim 2 attendance

The Latest