Aluminum frame conversion

roofmc79
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Who does everyone recommend to do a aluminum frame conversion ?
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Moto520
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2/28/2017 7:33pm
AJ Wagoner. He was the guru behind Service Honda. Search for him and you will find him
Trav138
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2/28/2017 9:20pm
Do a search for VItal member Scooter and aluminum conversions. There are some lengthy threads on conversions lol. Also on a related note, another important question you should ask is, who NOT to use for this type of work!!
gsxr6
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2/28/2017 9:46pm
Only a few of the mps bikes broke in half. Tough crowd.
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I would love to have a Service Honda but mine was built by the owner of a welding shop for his personal use. Mine used a hand modified FmF pipe and you can see where it was cut and rewelded to tweak the angle. I'm not even sure you can currently buy an AF pipe anyways.

IF you aren't getting it from a name brand builder then some things to look for is how is the headstay built? You want 2 bolts on the chassis side. Look a the location of the new Y piece. The good ones use the original upward bends on the bottom frame rails to not reduce strength.

You can get gen 4 CRF250 rollers for $800-$1000, its hard not to put one together if you are into 2 strokes even a little bit.

My next built will be with a 1985 CR500 engine, said to be the most abrupt power delivery, in a Gen 5 chassis unless I can find a clean 85.

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gsxr6
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2/28/2017 10:03pm Edited Date/Time 2/28/2017 10:03pm
The 85 has the longest strongest torque curve. Was 13 when I rode one. Yee haw
roofmc79
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Sadly this will be my second attempt on having a frame modified. I was stupid and didnt do enough research on who not to use. MPS put it in me real good. I called him first and and told him I have a 250F frame and he tells me he wouldnt use a 250f frame and he has to check his inventory but he thinks he has a 450f frame. Now I already bought a 250f frame so this kinda sucked im thinking. So he gets back to me 2 days later and sends me pics of the frame he has.He tells me 500$ for the frame, subframe, and tank. 1500$ for the conversion. So i pull the trigger and move forward with the "guy". He wanted the 2000$ up front at first I didnt agree with that so he told me to send half. I wind up sending him a 1200$ deposit. After I sent him the deposit we are talking on the phone and he begins to tell me how so many people on this forum dont like him and there being key board cowboys etc. He says they bust his chops about his work. Ok, now bells start going off in my head. Later that night I start looking at some of the posts that he's talking about. Needless to say when I see the pics of his work my jaw drops. So now Im trying to justify in my head, oh thats 2013 he has to do better fab work by now. Next day I ask him to send me pics of his recent work and he gave me this bullshit story that he doesnt post any pics of his work because someone might try and copy his design. He said if they copy his design and it fails he can get sued lol Now I know this is total bullshit and im starting to get pissed because I know anyone that does nice fab work and uses a computer posts pics of there work. Oh yea he also told me to call GM and ask them to send me a pic of there welds and see what they say to me. So we are going back and forth and he finally sends me this pic of a frame where you cant even see the work that was done. He tells me thats all u get with a smiley face. At that point I wanted to ask for my deposit back but started to see what type of business man he was and felt I didnt want to lose my 1200$ it all together. So I just tell him please please please make sure the welds are really nice. He told me Ill be more then happy with it when its done. Almost three weeks go by and I ask him hows he making out ? He tells me it should be done hopefully next week. Im not a pushy person but he told me he was starting it monday which was 3 days from when I sent the money. Normally I wouldnt of been aggravated because I know shit comes up but I was already pissed because of him not sending pics so I tell him Im done I want my deposit back. He tells me Im not getting my deposit back. (no surprise there) Make a long story short the following week he asks for the balance and I told him I need pics. So after hours of back and forth and he finally sends me a pic of the Y and it looked like absolute shit needless to say. It looked like the welds had multiple babies and then he scotch brite the shit out of it. You can literally see dirt in the weld. I dont weld for a living but I do mig weld when needed and I do know any time u mig or tig weld, the metal better be clean especially aluminum. After telling him how I felt he told me it would be an additonal 250$ for show quality welds.Then he begins to tell me he woudnt of used a 250f frame but thats what I wanted. WHAT?????? I told him he said it was a 450 frame and why would I buy another 250 frame when I have one. He tells me that "WE" decided that because I didnt want to ship the frame lol. Just straight out lying now. I sent him a copy of the text of me saying I bought a 250f frame and want to do the conversion with my 97KX500. He says where does it say in a text that he was gonna give me a 450 frame. I TOLD HIM HE TOLD ME ON THE PHONE THAT HE HAD A 450 FRAME BUT JUST HAS TO CHECK HIS INVENTORY. He says thats not true. At this point Im just so disgusted. So I ask him to send me pics of everything, subframe exaust mounts, down tubes and head stay. Again it was like pulling teeth but finally after another week and a half goes by he sends the rest of the pics. So that just tells me he wasnt done but of course he was trying to get paid. He did tell me it was 100% done a week and a half ago by the way. The head stay looks like it was done with Home depot flat stock. Just total garbage. So now Im out 1200$ and this jerk off will find some other sucker to buy it. Making double for complete garbage. After all of this he tries to make me feel like Im fucking him lol. I felt like I was on the twilight zone dealing with this "guy"
roofmc79
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3/1/2017 7:43am
I think Im gonna go with M-worx conversions for the frame work. That guy does some really nice stuff. Love how he makes billet brackets.
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Who is it that does these in or near Pismo Beach - Arroyo Grande - Oceano? Do they do good ones?
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Roofmc79: All I can say is "WOW!". I'm glad I did mine myself.Blink
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I don't think there's anything wrong with a steel frame conversion. I did one myself. A steel chassis that you like with upgraded suspension and brakes will do just as well if not better than an aluminum frame.

I've seen 500s in steel ktm, RM,YZ, and KX 250 two- stroke frames.
I did an RM chassis because Service Honda's prices were out of my price range. Thankfully I was warned about the MPS bullcrap and stayed away.

I have not seen it mentioned on here, but I think Service Honda went out of business.
roofmc79
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It blows my mind because Im a business owner and never in a million yrs would I treat my customers the way George Finelli from MPS Racing did. I told him I was gonna let every forum or facebook page know how he conducts business. It will cost him 10X the money I lost.
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Has anyone taken this MPS guy to small claims court? Even if you had to give a lawyer half of what you would get back, atleast its something.
The guy needs to stop pulling this crap on people.
roofmc79
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3/2/2017 6:30am
Mike I thought about it but dont think I would get anything out of him. I seriously doubt he would care because he laughed when I mentioned it to him. If I was a gambling man Id bet he has bad credit already. If someone has bad credit they could give 2 shits about any judgments. Also he's in Toledo Ohio and Im in Jersey so Im sure that would make it even more of a pain in the ass. Im just gonna keep on sharing my experience over and over again for years to come. Im new to this site, where is the best place to share something like this ???
3/2/2017 6:50am
The Vital hall of fame taught me everything I could ever need to know about MPS.

I've had a CR500AF before that I bought ready done from a guy who I think had OCD because that was a home built bike but the amount of time and care he'd put into the build was unbelievable, totally mint.
I want to build a 250AF some day but I honestly think the only way to go about the frame mods is by doing the research yourself on how it should be done and either you welding it or someone you know who is very good welding it for you while you're there. There are too many horror stories about AFs breaking to risk sending it to someone you don't know.

That said I think the first gen rmz/kxf 250 frames would be good to use for a 500 as those bikes are dirt cheap these days and handle fairly well.
roofmc79
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3/3/2017 12:22pm
I really thought about it but just dont have the time. I know for a fact I can do a better job then that butcher
dow516
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3/4/2017 1:09am


I built my own. It turned out okay. I think fabbing the pipe was harder than the frame.
3/4/2017 1:39am
Don't Procircuit make a pipe to fit the AF Hondas? Mine had a Procircuit pipe on it and I'm sure the guy who built it said the pipe was just bought from Procircuit as is. Mine was an 86 engine in an 04 crf 250 frame.
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3/4/2017 3:37am
I did mine in an 04 125 frame. I bought a used pipe and made it work because I was scared to pay for a new one and it not work and I still have to cut it up. It's only a 125 conversion issue I believe, when the forks are compressed, the tire hits the pipe.
roofmc79
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dow516 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/04/179594/s1200_IMG_0866.jpg[/img] I built my own. It turned out okay. I think fabbing the pipe was harder than the frame.


I built my own. It turned out okay. I think fabbing the pipe was harder than the frame.
Dow516 Did u weld it yourself also ?

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