Alessi and Windham incident

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Edited Date/Time 3/19/2012 11:19am
Why did Alessi not hold his line? I have watched the replay over and over, IMO, Alessi made a tool move.
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cmess77 3/17/2012 9:43pm
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He hit a square edge and lost control. No one would try do to that purposely.
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.Turtle wrote:
Why did Alessi not hold his line? I have watched the replay over and over, IMO, Alessi made a tool move.
You're a fucking tool.

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.Turtle 3/17/2012 10:00pm
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Watched it again, no square edge. I still stand by my opinion.
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GuyB 3/17/2012 10:09pm
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He won't be replying.
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dak446 3/17/2012 10:11pm
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Yeah, that makes no sense. Alessi was heading toward the inside line (the one that everyone has been all night) and got a little kick. Nothing malicious, and if you think so, well then...ok.
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Xeno 3/17/2012 10:23pm
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Their lines came together, didn't they? I wonder if Alessi heard Windham's engine come up next to him?

Actually, I'm suprised the damage wasn't worse- they collided in the air.
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hartebreak 3/17/2012 10:25pm
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looks to me like Alessi was going perfectly straight, KW came over on him a bit (probably to avoid the tough block) and it appears he hit Mikes bar which caused Mike to swerve over into KW's line. This looks like a no-fault racing incident.
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.Turtle 3/17/2012 10:26pm
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dak446 wrote:
Yeah, that makes no sense. Alessi was heading toward the inside line (the one that everyone has been all night) and got a little kick. Nothing...
Yeah, that makes no sense. Alessi was heading toward the inside line (the one that everyone has been all night) and got a little kick. Nothing malicious, and if you think so, well then...ok.
Yea, I see what your saying, Not avoidable by either rider. Hope Windham is ok after that.
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Paul333 3/17/2012 11:29pm
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It seems MXA agrees with you.

"(4) Did Mike Alessi move over in the air on Kevin Windham? Did Justin Barcia move over in the air on Blake Wharton (Wharton's revenge was to win the 250 main)? You bet they did. Poor K-Dub. First, he got tangled up in James Stewart’s messed-up incident in the his heat race, then, he got taken out while trying to pass Alessi."

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/INDY-250450-SUPERCROSS-RESULTS-…
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spd721 3/18/2012 4:37am
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GuyB wrote:
He won't be replying.
He got clicked for that?? Huh
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Alessi was following the outside line that was being used a lot...but he knew KW was there and should have accepted that KW had him beat on the inside, gone for the square up in the corner.

I like that Mike is riding with more aggression, but this was a dumb and dangerous move.
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jndmx 3/18/2012 5:37am
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They were on different lines through rhythm section and Mike was moving over to protect the inside.
Windham clears the last tabletop and comes up the inside quick.....Alessi probably thought he had the wheel on him till then.

You won't find a bigger K-Dub fan and I am bummed he went out but Alessi wasn't doing anything wrong.
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tns 3/18/2012 5:59am
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it was rv's fault he hit a tough block and avoiding action taken brought the 2 riders together simply racing incident i was bummed for k-dub as i am a huge fan and he was on the move towards the podium
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RaceFace 3/18/2012 6:34am
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I didn't realize it was as bad as it looks in the video the guy posted. Shockingly, people are all over the board on this, seeing square edges, and an unavoidable situation. Are we all in different planes of existence where shit gets all warped and defracted and we don't view the same thing? Alessi obviously knew K-Dub was there and chose to jump across to the inside line. Think WIndham would have attempted to run up the inside like that thinking that was a possibility? K-Dub is lucky to not be SERIOUSLY injured as in paralyzed, and people think Alessi made a good move. Moving over on someone in mid-air is seen as "having a wheel on them"? Was K-Dub supposed to back off in MID-AIR?

Par for the course as usual, we've never seen stuff like this from Alessi before right? Shit, it's happened several times this year and I think maybe even to K-Dub previously. Ask Tedesco about the move Alessi pulled on him earlier this year, where he looks over at Tedesco and then cranks across the track into his line.
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three9zero 3/18/2012 6:42am
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.Turtle wrote:
Why did Alessi not hold his line? I have watched the replay over and over, IMO, Alessi made a tool move.
I agree with you 100%.

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ky_savage 3/18/2012 6:44am
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txmxer wrote:
Alessi was following the outside line that was being used a lot...but he knew KW was there and should have accepted that KW had him beat...
Alessi was following the outside line that was being used a lot...but he knew KW was there and should have accepted that KW had him beat on the inside, gone for the square up in the corner.

I like that Mike is riding with more aggression, but this was a dumb and dangerous move.
I agree. Watching the vid it clearly shows Alessi trying to jump acrosss to the inside of the corner, while "IMO" trying to jump KW's front end.
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Knobbyjake 3/18/2012 6:50am
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At the 4 second mark you can see Alessi look to his right and see Windham coming up. The next jump he goes to the right. Looks like a clear take out move. Still up to his old crap, lame.
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jtomasik 3/18/2012 6:52am
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.Turtle wrote:
Why did Alessi not hold his line? I have watched the replay over and over, IMO, Alessi made a tool move.
three9zero wrote:
I agree with you 100%.
Jeez. He heard Windham coming in the beginning of the section, but had a different line to the tabletops that allowed him to get a bit more speed near the middle of that same section. He started drifting over, and that would normally work since he was gaining back a wheel on Windham. The rut kicked him sideways and threw him into Windham's line suddenly, which didn't seem to be the intent.

Watch the vid carefully.
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GuyB 3/18/2012 7:19am
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spd721 wrote:
He got clicked for that?? Huh
A least temporarily, yes. Maybe if he learns to play nice with the other kids, he can come back.
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RaceFace 3/18/2012 7:33am
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GuyB wrote:
He won't be replying.
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haha, it took me awhile to see what the purpose of this was as I thought he was holding a flute.
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three9zero 3/18/2012 7:39am
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.Turtle wrote:
Why did Alessi not hold his line? I have watched the replay over and over, IMO, Alessi made a tool move.
three9zero wrote:
I agree with you 100%.
jtomasik wrote:
Jeez. He heard Windham coming in the beginning of the section, but had a different line to the tabletops that allowed him to get a bit...
Jeez. He heard Windham coming in the beginning of the section, but had a different line to the tabletops that allowed him to get a bit more speed near the middle of that same section. He started drifting over, and that would normally work since he was gaining back a wheel on Windham. The rut kicked him sideways and threw him into Windham's line suddenly, which didn't seem to be the intent.

Watch the vid carefully.
I just slowed the video down and looked at it frame by frame. I stand by my opinion. Alessi starting drifting over then cut over to protect the inside coming into the corner. KInda sucks that a legend status and fan/series favourite rider gets taken out like that.
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RaceFace 3/18/2012 7:39am
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If you watch it over and over, you'll see Alessi's back end start drifting to the left after he contacts K-Dub's elbow on the way up and across. Right at this point you also see Kevin's body/bike postioning starting to turn into a fall in perfect relation to having his elbow hit. Alessi aimed over that way, nothing "kicked" him over. The notion that he was kicked by something comes from getting out of shape due to contact with Kevin's elbow.
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jtomasik 3/18/2012 7:42am
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Look at the vid link posted in this thread. Right at 4 seconds. Alessi's rear wheel hits that rut and kicks him to the right.
MotoChief Dos 3/18/2012 7:49am
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It looks like MA was trying to protect the inside and misjudged how close KW was. SImple racing incident, get over it.
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TerryK 3/18/2012 7:56am
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Isn't it amazing how people see the same situation in such different ways?

I can clearly see Alessi's rear wheel hit a square edge bump which kicks the rear wheel to the left, forcing the front to the right. I saw this while I was watching the race live, and I see it in the video. It's so clear to me that I can't understand how anyone can see it any differently.

Weird eh?
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RaceFace 3/18/2012 7:58am
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jtomasik wrote:
Look at the vid link posted in this thread. Right at 4 seconds. Alessi's rear wheel hits that rut and kicks him to the right.
Strange that we have those that see nothing, and those that see a rut or a square edge. How can some see a square edge which wouldn't resemble a rut, and others see a rut which wouldn't resemble a square edge? Then there are those that see neither. This would make a great psychological experiment of how people's personal thoughts impact what they see.

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