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They did this a couple years ago at National level and after round 2 only 2 riders stayed on the 2 stroke because of contracts. I dont remember the exact figures but I think 7 or 9 riders started out on 2 dream bangers
They had some good riders on the bikes and I feel it was the best test I have seen so far including my own 2 boys. It comes down to the rider mostly and it will allow more riders to compete, so why wouldn't everyone embrace it. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Not the current outdoor World Motocross Champion. He didn't ride a 450, so go figure. Alessi not gonna ride one either, not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent.
And most do not let the bikes run cc for cc.
So on any given day any bike/rider can be faster then all the others.
Did you see the Endurocross on TV the other day from Vegas? The main had a 2 stroke KTM, and a four stroke Kawasaki battle right to the checked flag. It was the best racing of the year because the were taking different lines, etc.
Straight up cc for cc racing...........Jeez, it's so friggin' simple!
I'd guarantee that over half of those four strokes sold never see a starting gate. In the last 5 years I have raced twice, but ride regularly.
Those guys didn't buy four strokes because the AMA held a gun to their head, they did it because they liked the bike. How do I know? Because I'm that guy.....one of the thousands.
Did Kawasaki build a 450F to go pro racing? Maybe, but I'm guessing they wanted a piece of the financial pie. If Yamaha starts selling 20,000 YZ 250's you think Honda will sit back and watch?
MX7MX has convinced me, the 4 strokes are the best bikes made ever and would lap the 2 strokes every time even with even displacement, bring the 2 strokes on, we are not afraid of them..............
We need to put the final nail in the 2 stroke coffin. After all the women are more important than this.
And since the rules allowed them it was fair game. Now here's a bike that puts out a ton more HP and is actually easier to ride. And now they're as light as a 2 stroke almost. So from a racing stand point, what are you supposed to do? You have to buy a 4 stroke or you're at a disadvantage before the gate even drops. So of course all the racers are going to get one.
And that eventually trickles down to the weekend warrior who doesn't even race. I mean who can pass up a light 450 with all the power you want and that doesn't take shit to ride fast? Just leave it in 1 gear the whole track and sit your fat ass on the seat and hold on. Fuck learning how to ride harder, just buy a 450. No more using a clutch and carrying your momentum like on a 2 stroke. But then people started getting hit with these hug repair costs for when the POS drops a valves. But everybody was on a 4 stroke and it was too late. The manufacturers already stopped development on the 2 stroke so that put them at an even bigger disadvantage. How could you switch back to something that would put you at such a big disadvantage?
Yes people dug their own grave but it was only possible because of the stupid fucking rules. Unfortunately MXers want the latest and greatest thing even if they don't race. Once the ball was rolling nobody up top seemed to care about stopping it and now high costs are a problem. And the solution is pretty fucking simple: bring back the fucking 2 strokes. Motocross was fine 10 years ago. 2 strokes may be harder to ride for some but too fucking bad. Motocross isn't suppose to be easy. What did everybody do when it was 2 strokes only?
And don't give me that bullshit about 4 strokes being cheaper and lasting longer and blah blah blah because I've been through more 4 stroke motors then Justin Barcia. Stock and modded, green, yellow, or blue it doesn't matter. I've blown up a motor in every way possible and my shit is maintained perfectly. I'm a fast B rider BTW.
For what it's worth, MX Sports made another step forward -- two-stroke 250s in the Women's class against 250Fs -- that will help the movement. But it's still not going to change all of those other series and sanctioning bodies' minds. They do not think it will be a fair playing field when one factory team fields a two-stroke in the hands of a top rider. How do you think Mike Alessi or Tommy Searle would do on a KTM two-stroke 250 next summer against everyone else in that class? Why would Factory Connection or Pro Circuit hire four guys each to get beaten by a bike they don't and can't race?
Until SX and FIM agree to go with two-stroke 250s in the 250F/MX2/Lites class, it won't happen. I have done all I can, but I now see why they did not change the name to "250 class" like we did, and I'm pretty over being called a pussy.
DC
MX Sports
Dean Wilson won 2 A classes. Blake Baggett and Justin Weeks each won an A class. All on 4 strokes. But the 250 classes, I remember, had a good number of 250 2 strokes.
Pit Row
I get to have some input, and that input right now is this: a 250cc two-stroke and a 250cc four-stroke are not even
My point is 250cc four-stroke and 125cc two-stroke are not even either so why not recommend something in between? Why does it have to be all or nothing?
DC
MX Sports
The OE's think they have a handle on all this stuff, but they really don't have a clue, and the sport is suffering for it. Say what you will about economy, but riders who come to our riding park are not buying new bikes, and the woods guys are riding 2 strokes.
A company is going to start importing 2 stroke knock offs from china that are reliable and well then lets see what happens. ONLY in this screwed up country is the new bike selection 4 stroke only basically. As the honda guys say, "we want the biggest market in the world to run these bikes." Well lets see how well that works for them. 09 BNG for 10 in the 450 market.
guess it's time for bikes to stagnate again like they did before. with fuel injection what else can they really do.
whats a 450 cost? and now the new 250 cost?
1 day ago
Void Main wrote: To hell with the 144cc idea. Put the shit back where it was 125 class (with 125cc motorcycles), 250 class (with 250cc motorcycles) and if you really want to run anything bigger than that run an open class and let anything in it.
the whole above post can be simplified.
marketing. we have been told countless times in meetings by OEM/s this is the plan. they are going to stick to it, they have spent a ton of money on it. so we can bitch whine and complain, it won't change unless they lose so much money that they stop the plan. they won't and looks like a long fight in which the 2 stroke will only survive with small companys making the bikes.
time will see how that plays.
oh ps.
they changed the amatuer rule pertaining to the 2-wheel drive bikes. the last two years they have been banned in amatuer ama. they will be allowed now. this was a good move as I personally feel that all bikes should be "included" to promote better and more inclusive racing.
Post a reply to: AMA's reply to my 2 stroke concern. Sorry DC.