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but why would it be boring? are you watching all 40 guys? do they show all 40 guys on tv during the moto? really, what are they adding to the excitement for you?
and yes, on an outdoor track lappers cause problems. you must not be watching the races or something if you think difrernt. it might not be every race. but at least a couple times a year you see a lapper get in the way. and thats just what i see on tv. could be way worse if you seen even everything that happend on the track.
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the 36th place qualifier was 13 seconds off of the fastest time. he wont be mixing it up with any factory guys.
and yes, ruining the race for the guys that are actually fast enough to be out there going for wins, or even points... lol... you know, by getting lapped and forcing the leaders to take alternate lines, or worry about them, or getting in the way of a battle. like i said, it doesnt always happen. but it does sometimes, and is it really worth it when they do? what do they add to the race? no one has givin an example of how they help the racing yet. but i have given an example of how they hurt the racing.
yall must just not be fast enough to lap people, and dont know what its like to deal with it.
maybe we should have 40 man gates for SX too. cuz its not fair to the 40th place mx guy who works his ass off, and works on his own bike, and has to travel, and blah blah blah, to not be able to race SX as well. and its not like lappers are a problem right, so yea, lets do it. how exciting would that be!
but you have still yet to give a valid argument about what they add to the racing.... so yea... me 1, you still 0. good try though on dodging the debate by trying to point out a small mistake i made. lol.
and maybe if the gate was smaller, those riders whose goal is to just line up, would be forced to work harder to accomplish that goal, and then we could potentially have more riders who arent just in the way.
you have yet to really explain any points you have tried to make. your just stating your opinion with nothing to support it...
and the funniest part of this to me, is im actually a fan of the guy that qualified 36th, and im using as an example. and theres also a few local pros who i root for who have no chance at top 20. lol
Food for thought.
but they could find out if there fast enough just by trying to qualify. and personally id rather them find out that way, then by making the race and watching everybody ride away from them... and as far as them mopping everything up locally. theres still a lot of big am races that bring in a lot of fast guys, and some pretty good prize money.
and can someone please enlighten me, or give some history or whatever on exactly how it came to be a 40 man gate? and why exactly thats what the sports all about? like i said, i would have guessed its all about winning. i know when i line up at a gate its not about how many are on it, its how many are gonna finish behind me. and if its 0, i dont think i belong on that gate. lol
but one point i cant believe nobody has used for there argument is the extra money it brings into the series. its not cheap to sign up and all that. and when you add 12 rounds together, im sure it would be a pretty large loss to shrink the gate..
You said "I thought we raced to win" but I disagree. Nick Wey has raced for 17 years as a pro and he won one national. He's still out there, he has a huge following and he brings something to every race -- passion.
Racing is a participatory sport. People race because they want to, and many are qualified to race at the highest level, but only one rider out of 40 gets to win any given race. (In supercross, where the track is half the size, with 100 percent viewing and a much higher difficulty factor, the number is 22.)
Why does NASCAR have 43 qualifiers? Why is the NCAA Tournament 64 teams? Why does golf have 128 entries? People like to watch sports, and they pick who they root for, from the top of the field to the bottom, and they enjoy seeing activity on the track or courts in front of them. It's content that builds and rewards the audience.
If you root for the guy who qualified 36th, or the local pro with no chance at the top twenty, why would you now ask them to stay home or go somewhere else?
DC
MX Sports
In 2011 Mike Sottile qualified fastest out of B practice at Southwick. Almost a full second faster than anyone else. He then went on to go 18-28 for 25th overall. The fastest guy in practice ended up being out of the top 20, only getting him 3 points. What's your view on that, did he belong out there or no because he didn't have a shot to win it when the gate dropped?
I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why these guys don't belong out there. They raced their way in and met all the requirements. It's not like they picked names out of a hat for the other 20 guys on the gate. And this is now way off the topic
Pit Row
and as far as the 90 seconds wait. by the mid way point, the back 10 are mixed in with the leaders anyway, so it doesnt really fill a gap between when the front comes through, and when the last guy on the lead lap comes through.
and ok, the ncca tourney has 64 teams. but a 16th seed team has came close to beating a one seed, and multiple 15th seeds have won games. can you say the same for a guy that qualified 36th? has a guy that qualified that low ever beat a top 5 guy straight up (excluding crashes, or dnfs, etc)? and in golf, i cant tell you the lowest ranked player to ever win, but "randoms" win events all the time. which cant be said for MX.
and i ask the guys i root for to go somewhere else, because its not fair to a leader coming through, getting blocked, and then losing the race because another rider who isnt anywhere near his caliber got in his way and cost him. i mean no disrespect to these guys. they fly. flat out. but there is such a gap in skill from the front to the back, and im just saying id like to see that gap of skill be a little bit tighter.
what if the back 10 were 30 seconds off the pace. do you still think it should be a 40 man gate? what if they were a full minute off the pace? would you still wanna fill the gate?
do you want C class ams racing with A class ams? no, we separate them for a reason, right?
another question i have, is why does it seem everyone takes the size of the gate so personally? lol
dont get me wrong, theres nothing better than seeing 40 bikes going into that first turn. but id be willing to sacrifice a small portion of that excitement, if it meant better racing for the guys actually on the track. its just not fair for a guy that works his ass off, AND has the talent to win, to be screwed just because another guy has the passion to be trying to not finish dead last...
and if there passionate and only goal is to line up at the gate. then making it tougher to get in should theoretically just make them push harder to get faster so they can achieve there goal, which would result in the back of the pack being closer in speed to the front.
and the gp fans dont seem to mind to much that they only have a 30 man gate, or what ever it is.
@waffles
with the 40 man gate, and things being the way they are, they definitely earned there spot. im just kinda saying, make it harder to earn that spot. like when you go to your local race. you dont sign up for A class just because theres room on the gate. you sign up for the class that fits your speed the best. and in most classes, 13 seconds off the lead wouldnt really be the class that fits your speed.
but like ive said. im not saying a 40 man gate doesnt work, or things are broken right now. the racing is great, and its not that big of a deal. this all just started because i said i prefer the gps smaller maned gate, and someone gave there opinion that they wouldnt like that, and i gave my reasoning's for why i would. and being as bored as i was last night, i couldnt turn down a good debate, regardless of the topic. haha. and i even get the chance to discuss it with DC himself, so id say it worked out pretty good. haha
Man do I miss Steel City. Never will forget witnessing Windham win in 2010
Oh, and I remember both Shae Bentley and Nathan Ramsey winning the Las Vegas SX after qualifying with the very last LCQ spot, which equates to qualifying 44th. And didn't Jeremy McGrath qualify last at Pontiac in 1994 and then win the main?
DC
MX Sports
Seriously for me it is the Nationals AND MXGP. Both are motocross races and championships but differ drastically. If you can appreciate the differences instead of focusing on comparisons on which one is "better" the sport becomes that much fuller for a MX fan. The Euros started this sport for most of us that are older usually have a soft spot for GPs and anything Trans Am related so that's a natural seque to following MXGP and of course we also into MX and SX. We're fans for God's sake...real fans.
On the younger side of the age spectrum I can appreciate up until RV's decision to race MXGP in 2015 many of the younger racers might have not been that into what was happening across the pond. For me the last three MXdN's and the speed of the GP riders in general I feel has gone a long way to remove the stigma "man the Euros are slow" and the fastest guys are in America. To be clear what the last three MXdN show me is that the ROW (rest of the world) has real MX chops but it doesn't answer the question who is better GP or US National racers.
Comparing GP racers to US racers is a much of a waste of time IMHO as comparing the Nationals to MXGP but just as I am pretty sure we will eventually see another upper body protection thread from that one guy the Nats versus GP deal will continue. As a fan I want to see our National circuits continue their focus on real MX tracks and over time de hybridizing tracks save a MMP or some other venue where it makes sense to hold an event on a less than typical spot for a "real" MX track.
Maybe if people really have to compare the question is who is the best supercross racer and who is best motocross racer in the world at any point in time. My hope is the US will dominate in both SX and MX and not only SX going forward but only time will tell.
DC-What do you think about Mike Kidd's ScrambleCross series?
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