This just popped up to my mind
Few days prior to the MXDN i rode somewhere (pulpmx i believe) that Marvin had chosen to ride his Us bike, whereas Roczen went for a euro 'works' one.
After witnessing their huge performance differences through the wk, i have to wonder if Marvin didn't take the wrong road when he picked a bike that was great for Unadilla, but was far off in Lommel's sand; while KRoc looked very confortable on a bike wich doesn't have to obey to any production rule, and had prob been greatly setted-up by Herlings during the GP season. After all, both of them had been dominant on this track during their respective world championship attempts, so how to explain such a difference on last sunday? There's a vid on youtube from the 2009 250 GP, check it out if you wanna see how well was Marvin doing back then.
Then, taking that into account, wouldn't it be possible that the same goes for Dungey's Us bike and Nagl and DeDijcker's works 450? I still can't believe that the Dunge was that slow...
Some dudes on the french board think that Marvin just wasn't giving a sh*t about his team and the event, and he's taking some heat right now. I really think he cares but just wasn't confortable enough to push harder; but I guess everybody knows Dungey tried, and did his best. So how to explain his performances if it wasn't due to massive unease on the bike?
KTM dominated the wk, but when you look at it closely, their GP branch killed it, while their Us branch choked...
What do you think?
Should have said "under par showing", my english is a bit rusty...
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Interesting theory. And don't worry about your English, it's better than my French :-)
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That is a good possibility and I never thought about it. You wouldn't think it'd be that drastic of a difference though but who knows.
Yeah, who knows how different from the series are the
GP bikes; hell, nobody has a clue what's the cylinder's size of Cairoli's "350"!
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I'd been kind of wondering along the same lines. Dungey was looking uncomfortable on his machine. I think that RD even admitted the setup was off. How many other riders were riding the new 450? Seemed a lot where using the 350 frame with some modified engine. This is actually the first year for the new 450. Setup issues are bound to be present, especially in a track so far from the ones that had been being tested here in the states. Dungey just looked a little tentative. Kind of reminded me of the first race of the season at Hangtown. Any thoughts?
Occam's Razor - The simplest explanation is usually the right one.
Maybe.... Dungey wasn't THAT slow, though. He couldn't pass Rattray at Southwick this year in several laps, and that was on a track he knew with a familiar surface, and in a race he at least thought he could win.
Event Moderator: "This question comes to us from [name withheld]. Blondes or brunettes?
James Stewart Jr.: "Um...probably dark hair for me."
Ryan Dungey [to James Stewart]: "You have to say that."
Crowd: [Laughter]
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Could be a factor, I don't know about it being the sole reason though. It was a combination of home court advantage for the Euros (Decoster stated on Racer X this morning that Cairoli rides it multiple times a week; his house is down the road, plus all the Euros have gotten two full motos and a full day of practice and qualifiers on it this year, before the week of MXdN) and the Euros are just plain better sand riders.
They have three sand races in their series to our one, and on much nastier silt tracks. Just in the way we put emphasis and are better at Supercross, they put emphasis on sand riding and are better at sand riding. At the same time, sand is an equalizer, like mud. So they had a ton going for them this race.
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Then, taking that into account, wouldn't it be possible that the same goes for Dungey's Us bike and Nagl and DeDijcker's works 450? I still can't believe that the Dunge was that slow...
suspension setup was so and so from team USA In my opinion but what do I know I'm Dutch
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I can reset the PW if you want it back.
I wasnt incriminating you, as you said, you havent done anything wrong, (if you had i would of said something directly to ya) it was just more of a statement. Would blow yer mind if you saw how many accounts were created in the last 48 hours!
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Granted every rider is different but you would think Decoster would have access to the other KTM riders setting so he had a good place to start.
They got beat straight up no question and I don't know if a good setting would have mattered. That track was a different animal.
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I agree, he didnt look so good, most noticeably was his corner speed, or lack thereof. Entering the corners he just seemed so tentative, almost "rolling" into them. But i havent gone back and really studied the vids, just going by what i saw watching the live feed.
But in the end, this race is over and it is time to move fwd. But the Dungey we saw this weekend was clearly not the Dungenator we saw all summer, and in the past 4 or 5? MXDN's.
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Revelstoked wrote: If that's ok with you im fine with this "Revelstoked" one, named after the
best ski resort in the world, where i spent 3 glorious years of my life lol And i already have reset the password, but something seems to f*ck up each time, and i just can't login. So I'd rather stick to this one from now on.
I also like this name better
In the future just shoot one of us an email letting us know.
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wouldn't "under-par" be a really good showing, where "above-par" would be a poor showing?
i've never understood that saying
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ocscottie wrote: I agree, he didnt look so good, most noticeably was his corner speed, or lack thereof. Entering the corners he just seemed so tentative, almost "rolling" into them. But i havent gone back and really studied the vids, just going by what i saw watching the live feed.
But in the end, this race is over and it is time to move fwd. But the Dungey we saw this weekend was clearly not the Dungenator we saw all summer, and in the past 4 or 5? MXDN's.
I think DeCoster hid it on the head. It was primarily weight distribution on the bike. Watch the way RD set up for the corners compared to Carolli etc. Weight forward, same cornering as we saw in the nationals. He roder in the way he had trained himself to ride. A little more rear weight distribution is what it took in the sand. Can't see away to change your instincts with only a few days of practice. Imagine the difficulty some of our guys with even a more pronounced riding over the front end style would have had.
Occam's Razor - The simplest explanation is usually the right one.
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dkg wrote: I think DeCoster hid it on the head. It was primarily weight distribution on the bike. Watch the way RD set up for the corners compared to Carolli etc. Weight forward, same cornering as we saw in the nationals. He roder in the way he had trained himself to ride. A little more rear weight distribution is what it took in the sand. Can't see away to change your instincts with only a few days of practice. Imagine the difficulty some of our guys with even a more pronounced riding over the front end style would have had.
I can 7ranslate that one, too.
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btw: if you guys want to see why the whole multiple account BS pisses us off so much, go check out
THIS thread in the Dumbgeon.
The guy creates an account to start a thread, then logs into his other account to reply to it! Gets a time out, then still creates like 4 or 5 more accounts within minutes.
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The fact Americans are riding much more over the front seems about right, but what about Musquin and his bike then?
