A different look at the MXoN.

Team Euro wrote:

Swedish riders suck and will suck for a long time,

Titan1 wrote:

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/MotoRelated,20/Remember-when-the-National…

Torco1 wrote:

it still cracks me up.

mxmasta wrote:

I know, there are way to much of these really annoying AMA vs. GP threads. And for me, it really doesnt matter which series is faster...

I know, there are way to much of these really annoying AMA vs. GP threads.
And for me, it really doesnt matter which series is faster, deeper oder better.
I enjoy watching the GPs as much as the US Nationals, and i am no better man when the GP-Riders are faster, nor am i a better man when the AMA-Riders are better.

I just find it very sad that a lot of times the MXoN should be the evidence that the AMA-Series ist better or faster. The MXoN is a race where countries compete against each other. Yes, most of the times the USA wins this battle. Well the US is big, much bigger than any european country. I know, you've heard that a billion times by now.

Now to the point of my post:
I did the math on the last MXoN (MXoN 2009). I wanted to know, what would happen, if the MXoN would be a real AMA vs. GP race. So i counted for each race the top 5 AMA-Riders and the top 5 GP-Riders. For the third race i counted just the top 4, because Burner went down and did not finish.

As you can see below, in this case the GP-Guys would win by far.
Also if you just count the top three of each race.
But to be fair, this is not really showing the reality, because there are a lot more GP-Guys in the races than AMA-Racers. I think it would be way more close in points, if there were 20 AMA-Riders and 20 GP-Riders.

Here are the Points from the MXoN 2009:

Race 1

AMA:
Reed 2
Dungey 3
Searle 7
Weimer 8
Rattray 13

GP:
Cairoli 1
Desalle 4
Musquin 5
Coppins 6
Swanepoel 9


Race 2

AMA:
Tedesco 3
Metcalfe 9
Rattray 10
Balbi 16
Searle 17

GP:
Paulin 1
Philipaerts 2
Leok 4
Musquin 5
Nagl 6


Race 3

AMA:
Dungey 1
Tedesco 7
Reed 9
Balbi 19

GP:
Ramon 2
Philipaerts 3
Barragan 4
Frossard 5


Points Top5(4)

AMA: 124
GP: 57

Points Top3

AMA: 51
GP: 26

In 2009 the GP would have won both categories!
I think it would be really nice to see the top 10 (20) of each series against each other, this would really be the race of the year!!

hoppsan wrote:

I hate to break it to you TE, but being fast on a motorcycle doesn't give you a free pass to roam around as a giant...

I hate to break it to you TE, but being fast on a motorcycle doesn't give you a free pass to roam around as a giant dipshit, nor does it make you superior to other human beings (off the track, at the very least). You obviously have huge issues with the AMA (and svemo, but who doesn't) but I don't see why you have this urge to constantly stir the pot on the whole AMA Nationals vs. GP vs. Americans vs. Europeans vs. Oceanians vs. Ronny Mac subject. You're not exactly "winning people over" by annoying the piss out of them with all sorts of snarky remarks about anything from porta-pottys to the amount of trans-fat in the 30/15-sec-girls lunch.

We get it, you think the GPs are great (so do I, but I try to not be a dick to everyone who doesn't share my point of view). Could you please try to not turn every single thread that even so much as mentions a GP or AMA "something", be it a rider or event or sticker set, into a raging poo-flinging war?

Disown me all you like, I have since long stopped taking your posts seriously, and I sincerely hope others will as well. Then you can sit there in a corner and rage all you want, together with whichever poor soul that wants to listen.

Sorry for loss of temper.

hoppsan wrote:

I hate to break it to you TE, but being fast on a motorcycle doesn't give you a free pass to roam around as a giant...

I hate to break it to you TE, but being fast on a motorcycle doesn't give you a free pass to roam around as a giant dipshit, nor does it make you superior to other human beings (off the track, at the very least). You obviously have huge issues with the AMA (and svemo, but who doesn't) but I don't see why you have this urge to constantly stir the pot on the whole AMA Nationals vs. GP vs. Americans vs. Europeans vs. Oceanians vs. Ronny Mac subject. You're not exactly "winning people over" by annoying the piss out of them with all sorts of snarky remarks about anything from porta-pottys to the amount of trans-fat in the 30/15-sec-girls lunch.

We get it, you think the GPs are great (so do I, but I try to not be a dick to everyone who doesn't share my point of view). Could you please try to not turn every single thread that even so much as mentions a GP or AMA "something", be it a rider or event or sticker set, into a raging poo-flinging war?

Disown me all you like, I have since long stopped taking your posts seriously, and I sincerely hope others will as well. Then you can sit there in a corner and rage all you want, together with whichever poor soul that wants to listen.

Sorry for loss of temper.

pie8man wrote:

I'd say take the top 3 AMA guys and compare to the top 3 GP guys in points for the last 3 years at MXoN and...

I'd say take the top 3 AMA guys and compare to the top 3 GP guys in points for the last 3 years at MXoN and see where it falls. I do not think we have ever had the top 10 AMA guys in the MXoN regardless where they are from.

mxmasta wrote:

I know, there are way to much of these really annoying AMA vs. GP threads. And for me, it really doesnt matter which series is faster...

I know, there are way to much of these really annoying AMA vs. GP threads.
And for me, it really doesnt matter which series is faster, deeper oder better.
I enjoy watching the GPs as much as the US Nationals, and i am no better man when the GP-Riders are faster, nor am i a better man when the AMA-Riders are better.

I just find it very sad that a lot of times the MXoN should be the evidence that the AMA-Series ist better or faster. The MXoN is a race where countries compete against each other. Yes, most of the times the USA wins this battle. Well the US is big, much bigger than any european country. I know, you've heard that a billion times by now.

Now to the point of my post:
I did the math on the last MXoN (MXoN 2009). I wanted to know, what would happen, if the MXoN would be a real AMA vs. GP race. So i counted for each race the top 5 AMA-Riders and the top 5 GP-Riders. For the third race i counted just the top 4, because Burner went down and did not finish.

As you can see below, in this case the GP-Guys would win by far.
Also if you just count the top three of each race.
But to be fair, this is not really showing the reality, because there are a lot more GP-Guys in the races than AMA-Racers. I think it would be way more close in points, if there were 20 AMA-Riders and 20 GP-Riders.

Here are the Points from the MXoN 2009:

Race 1

AMA:
Reed 2
Dungey 3
Searle 7
Weimer 8
Rattray 13

GP:
Cairoli 1
Desalle 4
Musquin 5
Coppins 6
Swanepoel 9


Race 2

AMA:
Tedesco 3
Metcalfe 9
Rattray 10
Balbi 16
Searle 17

GP:
Paulin 1
Philipaerts 2
Leok 4
Musquin 5
Nagl 6


Race 3

AMA:
Dungey 1
Tedesco 7
Reed 9
Balbi 19

GP:
Ramon 2
Philipaerts 3
Barragan 4
Frossard 5


Points Top5(4)

AMA: 124
GP: 57

Points Top3

AMA: 51
GP: 26

In 2009 the GP would have won both categories!
I think it would be really nice to see the top 10 (20) of each series against each other, this would really be the race of the year!!

Titan1 wrote:

I like it....and this is what I've been saying in other threads. Nice work. Why don't you do the same for 2008 and 2007 as well...

I like it....and this is what I've been saying in other threads. Nice work.

Why don't you do the same for 2008 and 2007 as well? (If you have time). It'd be interesting to see.

Last year was a bad year for the AMA riders at the mxdn...I remember in 2006 (I think), and 7 of the 9 riders on the three podium teams were AMA riders.

Anyway, it goes back and forth, and so I would LOVE to see a historical analysis of that.