250 2-stroke rule change for Canada 2013

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12/10/2012 11:49pm
rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
BR_HERO wrote:
Edit. I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol Will be interesting to see how it works out in...
Edit.
I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol

Will be interesting to see how it works out in Canada. I hope it's a huge success, then maybe we will have a glimpse of hope of seeing the rule for our U.S. series.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
How many more emissions are the factories belching out to make all the extra parts in a 4 stroke?
Yeah, wouldn't an EFI or DFI two stroke about eradicate that problem too?
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12/10/2012 11:51pm
Crush wrote:
Yeah, wouldn't an EFI or DFI two stroke about eradicate that problem too?
Yes. Two-strokes cure cancer, are good with children, and make awesome chocolate-chip cookies. Wink
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I noticed a typo in the bottom of the news release. I'll correct it for you Vital folk.
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12/11/2012 3:17am
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BBRRRAAAAAAAPPP! 250 vs. 250 straight up! http://www.directmotocross.com/lightbox2/news/breaking/2012/12/250-two-stroke-rule-change-2013-canadian-motocross-nationals 250 Two-stroke Rule Change for 2013 For the 2013 racing season, 250cc two-strokes will be eligible to compete in...
BBRRRAAAAAAAPPP! 250 vs. 250 straight up!

http://www.directmotocross.com/lightbox2/news/breaking/2012/12/250-two-…

250 Two-stroke Rule Change for 2013
For the 2013 racing season, 250cc two-strokes will be eligible to compete in the MX2 Pro class at the Regional, Provincial and National levels. This rule will be applied on a trial basis. Bikes with the same displacement will continue to be eligible for competition in the MX1 class.

Mark Stallybrass - President
That's great news. Maybe there's a light in the end of the tunnel after all

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12/11/2012 5:40am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap. I...
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap.

I don't care about which is easier to ride in what conditions. A capable rider is gonna be able to take advantage of that extra power.
When have the rules not given the 4 stroke an advantage?
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12/11/2012 6:00am
Last year intermediate riders who are allowed to ride in the mx2 pro class at Canadian Nationals were allowed to ride 250 2 strokes. Very few did. Like almost zero. If that means anything.
12/11/2012 6:39am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2012 6:42am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap. I...
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap.

I don't care about which is easier to ride in what conditions. A capable rider is gonna be able to take advantage of that extra power.
burn1986 wrote:
When have the rules not given the 4 stroke an advantage?
Before they got re written in whatever year allowed Yamaha to develop the bike Henry raced to an SX win.

It used to be that a cc was a cc regardless of number of strokes. 500 cc four strokes vs 500cc two strokes.
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12/11/2012 6:45am
SuperMario wrote:
Before they got re written in whatever year allowed Yamaha to develop the bike Henry raced to an SX win. It used to be that a...
Before they got re written in whatever year allowed Yamaha to develop the bike Henry raced to an SX win.

It used to be that a cc was a cc regardless of number of strokes. 500 cc four strokes vs 500cc two strokes.
360 cc 4 strokes were allowed in the 250 class for a long time before Yamaha developed the 400. They raised it to 550 cc after that then went to 450. In the GPs they were racing 600 + cc 4 strokes in the 500 class.
12/11/2012 6:56am
SuperMario wrote:
Before they got re written in whatever year allowed Yamaha to develop the bike Henry raced to an SX win. It used to be that a...
Before they got re written in whatever year allowed Yamaha to develop the bike Henry raced to an SX win.

It used to be that a cc was a cc regardless of number of strokes. 500 cc four strokes vs 500cc two strokes.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
360 cc 4 strokes were allowed in the 250 class for a long time before Yamaha developed the 400. They raised it to 550 cc after...
360 cc 4 strokes were allowed in the 250 class for a long time before Yamaha developed the 400. They raised it to 550 cc after that then went to 450. In the GPs they were racing 600 + cc 4 strokes in the 500 class.
I'm talking way back in the 60's and 70's.

There was a time when two strokes had horrid reliability and were hard to ride. 125's would load up and foul plugs with ease if not ridden hard enough.

The fact remains that the sport is dying because the average joe that used to race cannot afford to race a four stroke.

Once everyone is broke, emissions from the four stroke will be zero, since nobody will be left riding.
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12/11/2012 7:04am
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Yes. Two-strokes cure cancer, are good with children, and make awesome chocolate-chip cookies. Wink
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12/11/2012 9:41am
Crush wrote:
Yeah, wouldn't an EFI or DFI two stroke about eradicate that problem too?
We are talking about race bikes aren't we? They don't even fall under emissions standards even in the Peoples Republic of California.
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Of course the tree huggers in California thought it would be better to wipe out orange groves in China to build a plant to build the new Bay Area bridge rather than build it here in the US. How big of a "Made in China" sticker is required to stick on the side of a bridge?
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12/11/2012 10:32am
Good for Canada, we need this here without a doubt.
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12/11/2012 10:47am
Last summer, Gopher Dunes Nat......intermediate rider on a pure sand track.

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12/11/2012 10:59am
Good for Canada on this rule change!

I wish the American " Pro " series would allow this rule!

I love my 450........but I hate the fact that the 2 stroke guys get thrown under the bus as far as the pro classes go.

The OEM's have such a strangle hold on this sport here it's ridiculous!
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I don't think there is anyway in hell a 250F can out hole shot a 250 2t. with properly trained riders on them. Starts are 80% of the battle. Once up to speed maybe the 250f can hang or even surpass, but out of the gate no way.

Riding 4t and 2t are so totally different. You simply cannot jump on one or the other and be competitive. You need to stay on one or the other. You are either a 4t guy or a 2t guy.

This is great, it may allow some of the privateer and non factory teams to compete more effectively. Now you may see some off brand coming in to fill the void such as gas gas, husky, beta, etc.......
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12/11/2012 11:18am
^ This. Hey Fro, watup?
The right kid on a 2 stroke could wax the field if he wanted to. Most probably have been brainwashed into thinking F. There's no limits to mods so buy a KTM 250 and hotrod the damn thing. No F will keep up to it. Go rip a holey and wave bye bye. Or miss the holey and play catch up. If you think you aren't strong enough for a 250-2, train harder. This ain't a sport for pussies. When I started riding again in 92 after 8 years off, I had zero skills. Starting racing in 93, and a year back hadn't made me that much better. I was in the gym 5-6 nights a week and riding 3-4 nights a week. At 30 years old. I did well in the results because I could hammer start to finish without running out of steam. Passed a LOT of guys in the last 2 laps after a shitty start. I was FAMOUS for them. Laughing
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12/11/2012 11:41am
The top guys getting support will most likely be on 250F's like everywhere else. The have nots, well they probably won't be running up front regardless of bike. Stock bike vs stock bike, lap times have shown to be relatively equal depending on the track. But who races a stock 250F in the Nats? Now if enough oems have pissed in every Canadians cereal and everyone shows up to the races on 2 strokes??? I may just have to try out my passport to go watch a good race...
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12/11/2012 12:27pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2012 12:29pm
newmann wrote:
The top guys getting support will most likely be on 250F's like everywhere else. The have nots, well they probably won't be running up front regardless...
The top guys getting support will most likely be on 250F's like everywhere else. The have nots, well they probably won't be running up front regardless of bike. Stock bike vs stock bike, lap times have shown to be relatively equal depending on the track. But who races a stock 250F in the Nats? Now if enough oems have pissed in every Canadians cereal and everyone shows up to the races on 2 strokes??? I may just have to try out my passport to go watch a good race...
Yep! X2. Do you need a passport for that?
12/11/2012 12:36pm
mikem wrote:
Last year intermediate riders who are allowed to ride in the mx2 pro class at Canadian Nationals were allowed to ride 250 2 strokes. Very few...
Last year intermediate riders who are allowed to ride in the mx2 pro class at Canadian Nationals were allowed to ride 250 2 strokes. Very few did. Like almost zero. If that means anything.
probably because not many if any have ever ridden a 2 stroke before....that'd be my guess
12/11/2012 1:02pm
mikem wrote:
Last year intermediate riders who are allowed to ride in the mx2 pro class at Canadian Nationals were allowed to ride 250 2 strokes. Very few...
Last year intermediate riders who are allowed to ride in the mx2 pro class at Canadian Nationals were allowed to ride 250 2 strokes. Very few did. Like almost zero. If that means anything.
twosmoke30 wrote:
probably because not many if any have ever ridden a 2 stroke before....that'd be my guess
Most had been on 65's and 85's before. I think the main reason there weren't many 2 strokes is that the new rule was announced right before the beginning of the season when most riders have already taken possession of their bikes for the new year.
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12/11/2012 1:08pm
rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
newmann wrote:
Because Honda hasn't taken it's toys and gone home yet?
er....Yamaha was the first manaufacturer to race 4-strokes competively with the 2-strokes...I suggest you blame them not Honda.... Honda only jumped on the bandwagon
12/11/2012 1:14pm
mikem wrote:
Last year intermediate riders who are allowed to ride in the mx2 pro class at Canadian Nationals were allowed to ride 250 2 strokes. Very few...
Last year intermediate riders who are allowed to ride in the mx2 pro class at Canadian Nationals were allowed to ride 250 2 strokes. Very few did. Like almost zero. If that means anything.
twosmoke30 wrote:
probably because not many if any have ever ridden a 2 stroke before....that'd be my guess
Sheriff245 wrote:
Most had been on 65's and 85's before. I think the main reason there weren't many 2 strokes is that the new rule was announced right...
Most had been on 65's and 85's before. I think the main reason there weren't many 2 strokes is that the new rule was announced right before the beginning of the season when most riders have already taken possession of their bikes for the new year.
sorry, typo meant 250 2 stroke, and probably not a 125 either

and ya, if it was me, and that rule had been released, and i was on a 250f and was used to it. i probably would not switch either, i would want to ride somethign i'm comfortable on
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12/11/2012 1:28pm
rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
newmann wrote:
Because Honda hasn't taken it's toys and gone home yet?
kiwifan wrote:
er....Yamaha was the first manaufacturer to race 4-strokes competively with the 2-strokes...I suggest you blame them not Honda.... Honda only jumped on the bandwagon
er.. No it was Honda. They threatened to pull out of pro racing when DC was throwing around the idea of 250 vs 250 or something like that. Also they vowed to never make another 2 stroke again. Just what i remember
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12/11/2012 1:32pm
If all of this is in the name of keeping costs down, then as I've said before, the 250 2 strokes should be kept stock/relatively stock. Once people start dumping thousands into the engine, taking it to well over 50 hp, then this rule just becomes absurd.
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12/11/2012 1:35pm
If he feels better blaming Yamaha who stills happens to re-sticker 2 strokes for sale then let him go ahead. But yeah I think you hit it a little closer.Wink



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American Honda recently advised dealers that its current line of
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“This decision reflects Honda’s commitment to environmental
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