250 2-stroke rule change for Canada 2013

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Edited Date/Time 12/16/2012 10:25pm
BBRRRAAAAAAAPPP! 250 vs. 250 straight up!

http://www.directmotocross.com/lightbox2/news/breaking/2012/12/250-two-…

250 Two-stroke Rule Change for 2013
For the 2013 racing season, 250cc two-strokes will be eligible to compete in the MX2 Pro class at the Regional, Provincial and National levels. This rule will be applied on a trial basis. Bikes with the same displacement will continue to be eligible for competition in the MX1 class.

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rmpilot 12/10/2012 8:53pm
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canada's got it right. why not america?
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BAMX 12/10/2012 9:14pm
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Ugggh....why can't the AMA get its head on straight.
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grizzlyy631 12/10/2012 9:24pm
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Worst rule ever. 250 2 smokers go against 450's if you wanna ride a 2 stroke against 250F's get a 125.
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newmann 12/10/2012 9:27pm
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rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
Because Honda hasn't taken it's toys and gone home yet?

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newmann 12/10/2012 9:29pm
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grizzlyy631 wrote:
Worst rule ever. 250 2 smokers go against 450's if you wanna ride a 2 stroke against 250F's get a 125.
CC for CC isn't fair but double displacement is.SmileLaughingSillySidewaysCheerfulWhistling
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wardy 12/10/2012 9:30pm
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Amatuer AMA has had it this way since 2008. works fine. straight up 250 vrs 250 will work just fine.

250 against a 125 was, is and always will be the worst joke put on mx by OEM's that ever happened. AND


top three reason why our sport is so screwed up today.

have fun.
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grizzlyy631 12/10/2012 9:33pm
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i agree 4-strokes is ruining the sport, but a 250 2 stroke is significantly faster than a 250f straight outta the box.
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CamP 12/10/2012 9:35pm
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Sounds like the Canadians are on the right track.
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BR_HERO 12/10/2012 9:36pm
12/10/2012 9:36pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2012 12:18am
rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
Edit.
I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol

Will be interesting to see how it works out in Canada. I hope it's a huge success, then maybe we will have a glimpse of hope of seeing the rule for our U.S. series.
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newmann 12/10/2012 9:37pm
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grizzlyy631 wrote:
i agree 4-strokes is ruining the sport, but a 250 2 stroke is significantly faster than a 250f straight outta the box.
Around a hardpacked , bluegrooved, marble covered track? Or are we drag racing on the access road?
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2T42 12/10/2012 9:41pm
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Canada... not... lemmings.

My bike aint handicapped! - why are YOU riding a 450?
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grizzlyy631 12/10/2012 9:49pm
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grizzlyy631 wrote:
i agree 4-strokes is ruining the sport, but a 250 2 stroke is significantly faster than a 250f straight outta the box.
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Around a hardpacked , bluegrooved, marble covered track? Or are we drag racing on the access road?
If you ride a 2 stroke its obvious your not going to admit that your at an advantage over four strokes power wise. in a 20-30 minute moto a 4 stroke is gunna be a better option but for 5 lap moto's 2 strokes are better all day long
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It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap.

I don't care about which is easier to ride in what conditions. A capable rider is gonna be able to take advantage of that extra power.
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grizzlyy631 12/10/2012 9:56pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap. I...
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap.

I don't care about which is easier to ride in what conditions. A capable rider is gonna be able to take advantage of that extra power.
agree 100%
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2T42 12/10/2012 10:07pm
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rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
BR_HERO wrote:
Edit. I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol Will be interesting to see how it works out in...
Edit.
I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol

Will be interesting to see how it works out in Canada. I hope it's a huge success, then maybe we will have a glimpse of hope of seeing the rule for our U.S. series.
Have you looked at the actual emissions comparing 450 to 250 in race form? You must compare double displacement as was forced upon us to be consistent. You may be disappointed with what the sniffer results are. I was.

Don't forget to factor in what has done the most damage to the sport regarding SOUND levels vs. closing tracks and high costs exclusion of new and long term racers.
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VET176 12/10/2012 10:15pm
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newmann wrote:
Because Honda hasn't taken it's toys and gone home yet?
EXACTLY! Angry
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husqvarnaUSA 12/10/2012 10:22pm
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wardy wrote:
Amatuer AMA has had it this way since 2008. works fine. straight up 250 vrs 250 will work just fine. 250 against a 125 was, is...
Amatuer AMA has had it this way since 2008. works fine. straight up 250 vrs 250 will work just fine.

250 against a 125 was, is and always will be the worst joke put on mx by OEM's that ever happened. AND


top three reason why our sport is so screwed up today.

have fun.
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seth505 12/10/2012 10:24pm
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rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
BR_HERO wrote:
Edit. I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol Will be interesting to see how it works out in...
Edit.
I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol

Will be interesting to see how it works out in Canada. I hope it's a huge success, then maybe we will have a glimpse of hope of seeing the rule for our U.S. series.
Sweet, you did emissions testing for race bikes! Can I see your results? Laughing
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap. I...
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap.

I don't care about which is easier to ride in what conditions. A capable rider is gonna be able to take advantage of that extra power.
grizzlyy631 wrote:
agree 100%
You guys kill me....where do you come up with this crap?
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap. I...
It's not ok for a 4-stroke to have an advantage, but as soon as the 2-stroke has a massive advantage, all is "fair". Utter crap.

I don't care about which is easier to ride in what conditions. A capable rider is gonna be able to take advantage of that extra power.
Dude you are from Australia. I am pro four stroke and prefer riding four strokes these days, but for the good of the sport I can see that the two strokes have a place. There aint many two strokes in the pro lites class, especially not at the pointy end. And while quite a few guys rode them in under 19's, most did it due to budget restraints. Check the last test that ADB did regarding the 2 v 4 debate. Asked several (fast) guys to go ride two strokes all day and revew them, and then put them all on a Kawi 250F for one ride to compare the dingers against the four stroke. All of them said they would much prefer to race the four stroke. Australian pro level racing shows the two v four 250 class is fair. Go and ride a worked or factory spec 250F, and once you have, tell me you would still consider racing a two stroke against those bikes. You wouldnt, unless on a tight budget. It makes the class fair for those that want to ride, or can only afford to ride a two stroke, and there is a reason why the two strokes still dont dominate, or even have that many on the grid at the pro level. The 250F is still the better bike of the two.
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waitn4 12/10/2012 10:38pm
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Wouldn't it be better to give the privateer an advantage somewhere? Look at what they are facing with the factory support so closely guarded. It will make for better and smarter racing. And if it sucks then the rule can be taken away. Afterall it did say it is only preliminary.
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seth505 12/10/2012 10:40pm
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Can we all be honest with ourselves and admit that most people are being pussies and accepting they like to ride 4strokes because they are easier to ride? At the cost of rising racing costs and stacking more odds against a struggling sport.
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SwapperMX 12/10/2012 10:44pm
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seth505 wrote:
Can we all be honest with ourselves and admit that most people are being pussies and accepting they like to ride 4strokes because they are easier...
Can we all be honest with ourselves and admit that most people are being pussies and accepting they like to ride 4strokes because they are easier to ride? At the cost of rising racing costs and stacking more odds against a struggling sport.
I'll admit it. But I'm faster on a four stroke and with long motos, I still want the best finishing result that I can achieve !!
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seth505 12/10/2012 10:48pm
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seth505 wrote:
Can we all be honest with ourselves and admit that most people are being pussies and accepting they like to ride 4strokes because they are easier...
Can we all be honest with ourselves and admit that most people are being pussies and accepting they like to ride 4strokes because they are easier to ride? At the cost of rising racing costs and stacking more odds against a struggling sport.
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I'll admit it. But I'm faster on a four stroke and with long motos, I still want the best finishing result that I can achieve !!
ps- sorry I happened to post that right after you posted, wasn't trying to call you out. I respect what you are saying for sure. If I had more money to burn I'd probably def. have a 250f to go with my 250 and 125, I actually do like riding those bikes.
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SwapperMX 12/10/2012 10:51pm
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Nah all good Seth, I will push to see two strokes at the top level as much as anyone, but I will out there racing my 250F, or possibly a new 350 in the new year.
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The rules were written when four-strokes needed double the displacement to be competitive. Obviously Yamaha (and Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and KTM) figured out how to take full advantage of the rules as written to build ultra-competitive four-strokes.

If the kind of development to stay competitive had stayed in place (or the ones you'd dreamed about (Direct Inject, EFI, etc.) had come into play, I'd bet that they'd be a whole lot more expensive than you remember.
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GuyB wrote:
The rules were written when four-strokes needed double the displacement to be competitive. Obviously Yamaha (and Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and KTM) figured out how to take...
The rules were written when four-strokes needed double the displacement to be competitive. Obviously Yamaha (and Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and KTM) figured out how to take full advantage of the rules as written to build ultra-competitive four-strokes.

If the kind of development to stay competitive had stayed in place (or the ones you'd dreamed about (Direct Inject, EFI, etc.) had come into play, I'd bet that they'd be a whole lot more expensive than you remember.
More expensive to buy. Direct injection doesn't have lots of moving parts, (valves, cams etc) that need replacing or require labour intensive maintenance.
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GuyB 12/10/2012 11:09pm
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GuyB wrote:
The rules were written when four-strokes needed double the displacement to be competitive. Obviously Yamaha (and Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and KTM) figured out how to take...
The rules were written when four-strokes needed double the displacement to be competitive. Obviously Yamaha (and Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and KTM) figured out how to take full advantage of the rules as written to build ultra-competitive four-strokes.

If the kind of development to stay competitive had stayed in place (or the ones you'd dreamed about (Direct Inject, EFI, etc.) had come into play, I'd bet that they'd be a whole lot more expensive than you remember.
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More expensive to buy. Direct injection doesn't have lots of moving parts, (valves, cams etc) that need replacing or require labour intensive maintenance.
Right...what I meant is a higher initial price tag. And yeah, I get that four-strokes can be more expensive, especially if not well-maintained and blown up.

It'll be an interesting experiment to watch up there...on a trial basis.
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SEEMEFIRST 12/10/2012 11:28pm
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rmpilot wrote:
canada's got it right. why not america?
BR_HERO wrote:
Edit. I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol Will be interesting to see how it works out in...
Edit.
I don't know anything about the emissions. I was just doing a little fishin'. lol

Will be interesting to see how it works out in Canada. I hope it's a huge success, then maybe we will have a glimpse of hope of seeing the rule for our U.S. series.
How many more emissions are the factories belching out to make all the extra parts in a 4 stroke?

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