2017 TC250 KTM250 SX reliability

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Hi,
I have a commitment to get a '17 Husqvarna TC250 when net one arrives in late September.
The handful of introductory test rides and 2-3 magazine tests this past month love the bikes...

A buddy read that Steinke husky TC125 had 2 tranny failures,,and another racer that posts a lot online has had 2- '17 TC250 tranny failures. Is other people hearing or experiencing this on the new KTM/Husky 2 strokes ??
I know only a few are out there but hope to hear some feedback from people that have already put a few hours to offer there 2 cents.
thanks
Brian
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Some will say that steinke puts more stress on a motor than most and that being a privateer means that he doesn't have access or the budget to change things as often as he would like. That may be true but I don't remember other privateers having this much trouble back in the day.

In saying that, you are going for a 250 so it's not likely you will stress the tranny as much as on a 125
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I'm in line for the 250,,but if a TC125 showed up first and it was a 'deal'.. I could get a weak moment and take it. I'm 5'5" 150lbs. I race older 125s/250s with equal passion. The horsepower the latest 125s/144s from KTM and husky make probably rival my older 250s. I don't think I'd be disappointed power wise. It's reliability I'm concerned about. Last newer 125 I had was 04 RM125,,,it was bulletproof and current owner still racking up hours on it. Would be shame if the TC125 failed a tranny for a intermediate rider in a few months. I appreciate any feedback from 2016-17 TC125 owners as well as the 17 250s.
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I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well...

I just sold my '08 CRF 450 still on the original clutch and valves, never even needed to adjust them so go figure.
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Stankdawg posted tonight that his bike is torn down yet again for the second crank bearing of the season. Something tells me that you won't be showing your bike the beating that stankdawg does to his week in and week out. You shouldn't have anything to worry about.

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8/23/2016 8:43pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2016 8:47pm
No doubt he stresses his to the max as he's super fast and fearless...but what fails on his in 1 day may give out on me in a few weeks or month. I've been know to be lazy about up shifting and will hold it in a gear longer than needed if I can get to next corner without shifting twice more.
I read/saw on youtube that he puts different bearings(not 'ceramic'?) in his. I wonder what failed inside his tranny last few races....hoping husky/ktm fix it before mine arrives in next month.
Nothing make me and a million others happy than to see him start a revolution like Tim Ferry did back when he raced a 'new' 4 stroke Yamaha and worked out the kinks.
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Doug Henry worked out the Yamaha bugs.

You can gamble on the reliability of any new bike.
If you cant ride and learn to shift as required maybe buy a stryder.
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Slip don't worry about it. Since you started aging you throttle wrist has gotten weaker and those short legs don't have that much force on a shift lever. Lol. Just kidding you know I love you and the great suspension work you do.
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Doug is credited with being the first to ride it. I spoke with Tim while at his home with a mutual friend, and he told me how Yamaha hired him to work out bugs and further develop it. He is a real down too earth fellow and his personal track beside his home is scary. I have too much fun racing, and even winning a few now and then to ride a stryder. I'll keep screaming my 2 strokes till the pipe blues.
My point was I cheer for stank dog, and 2 strokes to come back. I was there screaming last year at High Point every time he came by on the Yamaha 125.. Hope the following he gets inspires other brands to re-develop 2 strokes too.Hope it's not a bad gamble waiting for a new husky...sure know new bikes are not cheap.
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Mr. Info wrote:
Slip don't worry about it. Since you started aging you throttle wrist has gotten weaker and those short legs don't have that much force on a...
Slip don't worry about it. Since you started aging you throttle wrist has gotten weaker and those short legs don't have that much force on a shift lever. Lol. Just kidding you know I love you and the great suspension work you do.
I suffer with the short legs...last week I picked a deeper rut at the starting line and silently thanked the dad who left his kids starting blocks there for me! Smile No kidding I used starting blocks just to see if it'd help. I recommend Vortec quick pull throttles...less effort for us old folks to get the 2 stroke wide open
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8/24/2016 12:34am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2016 12:34am
The tranny on the new TC/SX 250 is not "all new" according to MXA, so you shouldn't have any problems there.

I've had 7 KTM's so far, and 2 of them were first year bikes on a new platform. I had some issues on both, but the real key was figuring out the little stuff. I had a 2008 SX 144, the first year they produced the bike (after a limited run in 2007). The bike had a reputation of blowing up. Mine did as well, but it could have been prevented (sort of), if I had just changed the terrible terrible stock jetting. The real solution eventually was to install a different cylinder head (less compression).

My #1 rule would be. Don't go out hammering motos on your new KTM like you would on a YZ250. Check all the bolts and the check the plug every ride to see if your jetting is ballpark (none of my 7 KTMs was ballpark stock). Run the cleanest gas/oil you can and have fun Smile .
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I haven't heard of any transmission issues in EMX125, so I guess stank is just unlucky.
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ive been waiting fr transmission parts since March for a 16 ktm 125 thats bull shit
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pete24 wrote:
ive been waiting fr transmission parts since March for a 16 ktm 125 thats bull shit
You're preaching to the choir. Been since March for my one '16 250sxf. Such bs.
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A buddy of mine waited 4 months for trans gears for his 16 150......
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slipdog wrote:
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well... I...
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well...

I just sold my '08 CRF 450 still on the original clutch and valves, never even needed to adjust them so go figure.
I rode it back to back with whatever 10-40 they put in the trans from the factory, and Belray 80W gear saver. Holy shit, run the gear saver in these. Takes the notchiness out without any perceived increased clutch effort.
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Mr. Info wrote:
Slip don't worry about it. Since you started aging you throttle wrist has gotten weaker and those short legs don't have that much force on a...
Slip don't worry about it. Since you started aging you throttle wrist has gotten weaker and those short legs don't have that much force on a shift lever. Lol. Just kidding you know I love you and the great suspension work you do.
LOL, I certainly don't have the conditioning to twist it like I use to, but it's stories like Pete's that have had me concerned since I've heard more than a few.


A few things I noticed going over the bike was the fish oil in the tranny, they put a #20 torx fitting for the air bleeder on the AER fork(just annoying) and every single spoke on both wheels were loose. I've heard of people breaking KTM wheels in the first few hrs and that must be why, check your spokes before you ride it.
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Mr. Info wrote:
Slip don't worry about it. Since you started aging you throttle wrist has gotten weaker and those short legs don't have that much force on a...
Slip don't worry about it. Since you started aging you throttle wrist has gotten weaker and those short legs don't have that much force on a shift lever. Lol. Just kidding you know I love you and the great suspension work you do.
slipdog wrote:
LOL, I certainly don't have the conditioning to twist it like I use to, but it's stories like Pete's that have had me concerned since I've...
LOL, I certainly don't have the conditioning to twist it like I use to, but it's stories like Pete's that have had me concerned since I've heard more than a few.


A few things I noticed going over the bike was the fish oil in the tranny, they put a #20 torx fitting for the air bleeder on the AER fork(just annoying) and every single spoke on both wheels were loose. I've heard of people breaking KTM wheels in the first few hrs and that must be why, check your spokes before you ride it.
Same observation. Before and after first ride = spaghetti spokes. Sprocket bolts were torqued to 1 million ft lbs though. So that's good.
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is it uncommon to go though a new bike when before you ride it and after break in? I feel like that's common place especially on new 2 strokes as everything vibrates and seats in. Do you not check your tire pressure or air filter before you go ride a new bike too? jeez you guys they aren't range rovers, they're dirt bikes. Whether it was my KTM, Kawis, Suzuki, whatever, always check the spokes, nuts and bolts, grease, before you go ride it. Change the break in oil after the first ride (the new huskys are first fill with BelRay) and then recheck everything, spokes, subframe bolts, linkage, sprocket bolts.

As far as the tranny issues go, yes, if you pay attention in Arenacross you'll see a handful of broken trannys; slower speeds, banging gears, big whoops under an extreme load. Also saw a small handful of issues with tolerances on shift forks where they would have too much play and miss gears. All on 250fs and KTM/Husky warrantied every issue without question. Havent seen any 125/150 issues in our area nor on any 17 models yet, or bigger bores 350/450 and we have a few guys with loads of hours. I wouldn't worry too hard about it unless you're gonna go slam through your gear box with no clutch while practicing supercross before A1.
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slipdog wrote:
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well... I...
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well...

I just sold my '08 CRF 450 still on the original clutch and valves, never even needed to adjust them so go figure.
I sold my '08 CRF450 last year. Same deal, never touched the valves or the clutch. An absolutely bullet-proof bike.
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slipdog wrote:
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well... I...
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well...

I just sold my '08 CRF 450 still on the original clutch and valves, never even needed to adjust them so go figure.
CamP wrote:
I sold my '08 CRF450 last year. Same deal, never touched the valves or the clutch. An absolutely bullet-proof bike.
you guys are going to regret that i still have my 08 crf450 128 hrs never had a valve adjustnent, never selling it
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pete24 wrote:
you guys are going to regret that i still have my 08 crf450 128 hrs never had a valve adjustnent, never selling it
Possibly. I went back to 2-strokes a few years ago and I enjoy them more than the thumper.
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Most, and our only transmission failure came from top level riders in Arenacross.
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slipdog wrote:
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well... I...
I got my TC250 on Thursday, but haven't had a chance to get it to the track yet. I'm worried about the tranny as well...

I just sold my '08 CRF 450 still on the original clutch and valves, never even needed to adjust them so go figure.
CamP wrote:
I sold my '08 CRF450 last year. Same deal, never touched the valves or the clutch. An absolutely bullet-proof bike.
pete24 wrote:
you guys are going to regret that i still have my 08 crf450 128 hrs never had a valve adjustnent, never selling it
There was no way I was going to sell it for a new $9k 450 that wasn't any better, but I just had that urge for the "feel" of a new bike so I did the only rational thing and got a smoker. Most fun I had in the last 5-7yrs was last summer at the Glenn Helen 2-stroke race and lost most of my desire after I gave the bike back.
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Not gonna argue on what brand is better or whose dog does what but make sure to stock up on 3rd gear and cranks. They also like to take the cases when they go out
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The were all on local kids bikes, all 125s and all have switched to something else
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i said i kept my 08 crf, i didnt say i have a 96 cr250, 99yz250,16yz250 i just ride the honda when im lazy, rode it yesterday and it felt like a bulldozer good thing i had a yz in the trailer
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I thought the two stroke gearboxes are good. But the 2016 sxf 250 ,holey hell they are blowing up gearboxes every bike . there was a recall on them here , but they broke gears again .
8/24/2016 1:43pm
The Guy at work bought a new 2016 last fall, rode it a few times than during the spring broke something in the trans. From what I have been told and read the part in question was upgraded to a new number.. that's not available yet.

His new 2016 150SX has been down all summer and now the 2017's are out... KTM customer service felt so bad they offered to allow him to cut in line to buy a 150SX - at Full Retail of course.

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I knew it was going to be a problem when I saw two SX125's break the tranny during the first 3 laps of practice at the first race I attended this year.
I know of 4 guys that have had it happen twice to their SX125's (2016 year models) and I know one who had it happen on a SX250.

Some have been waiting for parts because KTM aren't able to deliver (new product? sold out?)

Either way, hope they fix it quick!
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slipdog wrote:
LOL, I certainly don't have the conditioning to twist it like I use to, but it's stories like Pete's that have had me concerned since I've...
LOL, I certainly don't have the conditioning to twist it like I use to, but it's stories like Pete's that have had me concerned since I've heard more than a few.


A few things I noticed going over the bike was the fish oil in the tranny, they put a #20 torx fitting for the air bleeder on the AER fork(just annoying) and every single spoke on both wheels were loose. I've heard of people breaking KTM wheels in the first few hrs and that must be why, check your spokes before you ride it.
Slip the only Huskys I have seen with Tranny issues were on four strokes. 3 of them so far. Hopefully no issues with yours.

And you are absolutely right about the spokes. I have seen multiple wheels just blown apart from loose spokes.

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