2017 CRF450 problems?

RickA wrote:

Has anyone heard of the new Honda 450 having issues such as, frame cracking.. crankcase filling up with fuel, motors locking up, or anything else? I...

Has anyone heard of the new Honda 450 having issues such as, frame cracking.. crankcase filling up with fuel, motors locking up, or anything else?

I have a friend looking to buy one, but a loud mouth jackass I know keeps saying the new CRF450 is riddled with problems. Just curious to hear what people have to say

RickA wrote:

Has anyone heard of the new Honda 450 having issues such as, frame cracking.. crankcase filling up with fuel, motors locking up, or anything else? I...

Has anyone heard of the new Honda 450 having issues such as, frame cracking.. crankcase filling up with fuel, motors locking up, or anything else?

I have a friend looking to buy one, but a loud mouth jackass I know keeps saying the new CRF450 is riddled with problems. Just curious to hear what people have to say

kiwifan wrote:

I know 6 people with one including myself (mainly R's)...not one single problem....I see some comments about grips...all the guys I know safety wire their grips...

I know 6 people with one including myself (mainly R's)...not one single problem....I see some comments about grips...all the guys I know safety wire their grips before even riding them so never had that issue.

The only thing I do highly recommend is re-mapping.....

Superdave19 wrote:

27 hrs in mine- All good. Re-map by Tokyo- 1st one is STD, second is Torque, and third is aggressive. Don't think I'd want an 18'...

27 hrs in mine- All good. Re-map by Tokyo- 1st one is STD, second is Torque, and third is aggressive.
Don't think I'd want an 18' just because the E Start is std... I'll kick it and save 6-7 lbs thank you-

Superdave19 wrote:

27 hrs in mine- All good. Re-map by Tokyo- 1st one is STD, second is Torque, and third is aggressive. Don't think I'd want an 18'...

27 hrs in mine- All good. Re-map by Tokyo- 1st one is STD, second is Torque, and third is aggressive.
Don't think I'd want an 18' just because the E Start is std... I'll kick it and save 6-7 lbs thank you-

BobPA wrote:

6-7lbs.....Get real bro

Superdave19 wrote:

27 hrs in mine- All good. Re-map by Tokyo- 1st one is STD, second is Torque, and third is aggressive. Don't think I'd want an 18'...

27 hrs in mine- All good. Re-map by Tokyo- 1st one is STD, second is Torque, and third is aggressive.
Don't think I'd want an 18' just because the E Start is std... I'll kick it and save 6-7 lbs thank you-

BobPA wrote:

6-7lbs.....Get real bro

gsxr6 wrote:

Exactly. More like 10 lbs

Old&New wrote:

The 18 will be shipping before you can get parts for the 17 plus the bike cost less including the electric start. Honda really screwed over...

The 18 will be shipping before you can get parts for the 17 plus the bike cost less including the electric start.

Honda really screwed over the people who purchased the 17.

BobPA wrote:

6-7lbs.....Get real bro

gsxr6 wrote:

Exactly. More like 10 lbs

mxb2 wrote:

2-3 lbs.

TeamGreen wrote:

Uh, no. The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price...

Uh, no.

The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price as a '17...you know, the '17 that HAS a kicker...). The kicker should be available in a kit...that's extra $, btw. Therefore, the "deal" for the electric-start crowd is on a remaining '17 RX...especially those Guy's that want both starters.

Parts for the '17 haven't been a problem for my friends that have '17s.

There were some cracked-cases at the kick-start-shaft early on and those were warrantied.

Truth be told, the '17 R would be the ultimate deal if you can find one when the '18s come out. Why? Less is more. No battery to maintain or replace. Less electrical crap. Easiest to make REALLY, REALLY LIGHT-WEIGHT...etc. All the while, I'll take a '17 RX (my personal scoot is coming from their race-pool of '17 RXs)...my shirt fat ass needs electric start when I stall it on the side of a hill!

So, uh...again...no...Honda screwed no-one. I've got more hours on the R and RX than I can count: they're BULLET PROOF. If they put a Wide Ratio in it and provide us with an actual "X" version? I'll be getting even MORE hours on Honda's new scoots.

My notes from hours on the '17:

I prefer a 48T on the rear of the RX & run the mild map for off-road...I even drop a tooth on the R (Glen Helen/Pala: I get more out of 2nd and 3rd...I'm an off-roader at heart).
I like the Andrew Short bend on both.
The wider tank-shrouds on the RX make it easier to hang on to with my legs.
Raptor or HRC pegs are truly nice (bigger).
RX engine hangers a slight mod (2-3mm hole mid-belt/go see HRC race bikes) make for a more steel-frame-like feel.
Guts seat foam and cover with ribs across the back to keep me "in the saddle".
These things REALLY LIKE VP T4!
PC system is actually QUIETER than the stock rattle-can system.
I'm amazed at Metzer's new "Mid" tires...even on hard-pack out in the Dez (with Michelin Bibs).
An R tank requires R shrouds (for those that're thinking about it for their RX!).
Strategically located Ti bolts that're are of fairly standard size (regular m6, m8 and m10) can pull a coupl'a pounds off.
A Galfer front rotor is tougher in the rocks (tho, this bike has a waaaay better stock rotor than the old ones).
Changing the front sprocket may be the easier/less expensive way to adjust hearing...and, always, get a new chain!
PC & FC seem to have the new forks figured out.

TeamGreen wrote:

Here's the bike I used for tire testing in April. The Hanger with hole is visible just above the Kickstarter (that I never use; but, it's...

Here's the bike I used for tire testing in April. The Hanger with hole is visible just above the Kickstarter (that I never use; but, it's there IF I need it!)



Here are the Metzler's I'm thoroughly enjoying for the track and off-road:

TeamGreen wrote:

Uh, no. The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price...

Uh, no.

The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price as a '17...you know, the '17 that HAS a kicker...). The kicker should be available in a kit...that's extra $, btw. Therefore, the "deal" for the electric-start crowd is on a remaining '17 RX...especially those Guy's that want both starters.

Parts for the '17 haven't been a problem for my friends that have '17s.

There were some cracked-cases at the kick-start-shaft early on and those were warrantied.

Truth be told, the '17 R would be the ultimate deal if you can find one when the '18s come out. Why? Less is more. No battery to maintain or replace. Less electrical crap. Easiest to make REALLY, REALLY LIGHT-WEIGHT...etc. All the while, I'll take a '17 RX (my personal scoot is coming from their race-pool of '17 RXs)...my shirt fat ass needs electric start when I stall it on the side of a hill!

So, uh...again...no...Honda screwed no-one. I've got more hours on the R and RX than I can count: they're BULLET PROOF. If they put a Wide Ratio in it and provide us with an actual "X" version? I'll be getting even MORE hours on Honda's new scoots.

My notes from hours on the '17:

I prefer a 48T on the rear of the RX & run the mild map for off-road...I even drop a tooth on the R (Glen Helen/Pala: I get more out of 2nd and 3rd...I'm an off-roader at heart).
I like the Andrew Short bend on both.
The wider tank-shrouds on the RX make it easier to hang on to with my legs.
Raptor or HRC pegs are truly nice (bigger).
RX engine hangers a slight mod (2-3mm hole mid-belt/go see HRC race bikes) make for a more steel-frame-like feel.
Guts seat foam and cover with ribs across the back to keep me "in the saddle".
These things REALLY LIKE VP T4!
PC system is actually QUIETER than the stock rattle-can system.
I'm amazed at Metzer's new "Mid" tires...even on hard-pack out in the Dez (with Michelin Bibs).
An R tank requires R shrouds (for those that're thinking about it for their RX!).
Strategically located Ti bolts that're are of fairly standard size (regular m6, m8 and m10) can pull a coupl'a pounds off.
A Galfer front rotor is tougher in the rocks (tho, this bike has a waaaay better stock rotor than the old ones).
Changing the front sprocket may be the easier/less expensive way to adjust hearing...and, always, get a new chain!
PC & FC seem to have the new forks figured out.

TeamGreen wrote:

Uh, no. The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price...

Uh, no.

The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price as a '17...you know, the '17 that HAS a kicker...). The kicker should be available in a kit...that's extra $, btw. Therefore, the "deal" for the electric-start crowd is on a remaining '17 RX...especially those Guy's that want both starters.

Parts for the '17 haven't been a problem for my friends that have '17s.

There were some cracked-cases at the kick-start-shaft early on and those were warrantied.

Truth be told, the '17 R would be the ultimate deal if you can find one when the '18s come out. Why? Less is more. No battery to maintain or replace. Less electrical crap. Easiest to make REALLY, REALLY LIGHT-WEIGHT...etc. All the while, I'll take a '17 RX (my personal scoot is coming from their race-pool of '17 RXs)...my shirt fat ass needs electric start when I stall it on the side of a hill!

So, uh...again...no...Honda screwed no-one. I've got more hours on the R and RX than I can count: they're BULLET PROOF. If they put a Wide Ratio in it and provide us with an actual "X" version? I'll be getting even MORE hours on Honda's new scoots.

My notes from hours on the '17:

I prefer a 48T on the rear of the RX & run the mild map for off-road...I even drop a tooth on the R (Glen Helen/Pala: I get more out of 2nd and 3rd...I'm an off-roader at heart).
I like the Andrew Short bend on both.
The wider tank-shrouds on the RX make it easier to hang on to with my legs.
Raptor or HRC pegs are truly nice (bigger).
RX engine hangers a slight mod (2-3mm hole mid-belt/go see HRC race bikes) make for a more steel-frame-like feel.
Guts seat foam and cover with ribs across the back to keep me "in the saddle".
These things REALLY LIKE VP T4!
PC system is actually QUIETER than the stock rattle-can system.
I'm amazed at Metzer's new "Mid" tires...even on hard-pack out in the Dez (with Michelin Bibs).
An R tank requires R shrouds (for those that're thinking about it for their RX!).
Strategically located Ti bolts that're are of fairly standard size (regular m6, m8 and m10) can pull a coupl'a pounds off.
A Galfer front rotor is tougher in the rocks (tho, this bike has a waaaay better stock rotor than the old ones).
Changing the front sprocket may be the easier/less expensive way to adjust hearing...and, always, get a new chain!
PC & FC seem to have the new forks figured out.

kiwifan wrote:

Slightly off topic, you can get kick start kits for KTM/Huskys too cant you?

xr70 wrote:

No u can't.

BobPA wrote:

SX's you would have to change the outer case

TeamGreen wrote:

Uh, no. The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price...

Uh, no.

The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price as a '17...you know, the '17 that HAS a kicker...). The kicker should be available in a kit...that's extra $, btw. Therefore, the "deal" for the electric-start crowd is on a remaining '17 RX...especially those Guy's that want both starters.

Parts for the '17 haven't been a problem for my friends that have '17s.

There were some cracked-cases at the kick-start-shaft early on and those were warrantied.

Truth be told, the '17 R would be the ultimate deal if you can find one when the '18s come out. Why? Less is more. No battery to maintain or replace. Less electrical crap. Easiest to make REALLY, REALLY LIGHT-WEIGHT...etc. All the while, I'll take a '17 RX (my personal scoot is coming from their race-pool of '17 RXs)...my shirt fat ass needs electric start when I stall it on the side of a hill!

So, uh...again...no...Honda screwed no-one. I've got more hours on the R and RX than I can count: they're BULLET PROOF. If they put a Wide Ratio in it and provide us with an actual "X" version? I'll be getting even MORE hours on Honda's new scoots.

My notes from hours on the '17:

I prefer a 48T on the rear of the RX & run the mild map for off-road...I even drop a tooth on the R (Glen Helen/Pala: I get more out of 2nd and 3rd...I'm an off-roader at heart).
I like the Andrew Short bend on both.
The wider tank-shrouds on the RX make it easier to hang on to with my legs.
Raptor or HRC pegs are truly nice (bigger).
RX engine hangers a slight mod (2-3mm hole mid-belt/go see HRC race bikes) make for a more steel-frame-like feel.
Guts seat foam and cover with ribs across the back to keep me "in the saddle".
These things REALLY LIKE VP T4!
PC system is actually QUIETER than the stock rattle-can system.
I'm amazed at Metzer's new "Mid" tires...even on hard-pack out in the Dez (with Michelin Bibs).
An R tank requires R shrouds (for those that're thinking about it for their RX!).
Strategically located Ti bolts that're are of fairly standard size (regular m6, m8 and m10) can pull a coupl'a pounds off.
A Galfer front rotor is tougher in the rocks (tho, this bike has a waaaay better stock rotor than the old ones).
Changing the front sprocket may be the easier/less expensive way to adjust hearing...and, always, get a new chain!
PC & FC seem to have the new forks figured out.

kiwifan wrote:

Slightly off topic, you can get kick start kits for KTM/Huskys too cant you?

Old&New wrote:

The 18 will be shipping before you can get parts for the 17 plus the bike cost less including the electric start. Honda really screwed over...

The 18 will be shipping before you can get parts for the 17 plus the bike cost less including the electric start.

Honda really screwed over the people who purchased the 17.

TeamGreen wrote:

Uh, no. The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price...

Uh, no.

The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price as a '17...you know, the '17 that HAS a kicker...). The kicker should be available in a kit...that's extra $, btw. Therefore, the "deal" for the electric-start crowd is on a remaining '17 RX...especially those Guy's that want both starters.

Parts for the '17 haven't been a problem for my friends that have '17s.

There were some cracked-cases at the kick-start-shaft early on and those were warrantied.

Truth be told, the '17 R would be the ultimate deal if you can find one when the '18s come out. Why? Less is more. No battery to maintain or replace. Less electrical crap. Easiest to make REALLY, REALLY LIGHT-WEIGHT...etc. All the while, I'll take a '17 RX (my personal scoot is coming from their race-pool of '17 RXs)...my shirt fat ass needs electric start when I stall it on the side of a hill!

So, uh...again...no...Honda screwed no-one. I've got more hours on the R and RX than I can count: they're BULLET PROOF. If they put a Wide Ratio in it and provide us with an actual "X" version? I'll be getting even MORE hours on Honda's new scoots.

My notes from hours on the '17:

I prefer a 48T on the rear of the RX & run the mild map for off-road...I even drop a tooth on the R (Glen Helen/Pala: I get more out of 2nd and 3rd...I'm an off-roader at heart).
I like the Andrew Short bend on both.
The wider tank-shrouds on the RX make it easier to hang on to with my legs.
Raptor or HRC pegs are truly nice (bigger).
RX engine hangers a slight mod (2-3mm hole mid-belt/go see HRC race bikes) make for a more steel-frame-like feel.
Guts seat foam and cover with ribs across the back to keep me "in the saddle".
These things REALLY LIKE VP T4!
PC system is actually QUIETER than the stock rattle-can system.
I'm amazed at Metzer's new "Mid" tires...even on hard-pack out in the Dez (with Michelin Bibs).
An R tank requires R shrouds (for those that're thinking about it for their RX!).
Strategically located Ti bolts that're are of fairly standard size (regular m6, m8 and m10) can pull a coupl'a pounds off.
A Galfer front rotor is tougher in the rocks (tho, this bike has a waaaay better stock rotor than the old ones).
Changing the front sprocket may be the easier/less expensive way to adjust hearing...and, always, get a new chain!
PC & FC seem to have the new forks figured out.

Old&New wrote:

The 18 will be shipping before you can get parts for the 17 plus the bike cost less including the electric start. Honda really screwed over...

The 18 will be shipping before you can get parts for the 17 plus the bike cost less including the electric start.

Honda really screwed over the people who purchased the 17.

TeamGreen wrote:

Uh, no. The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price...

Uh, no.

The '18 got a price increase (R) and the kicker is removed on BOTH models (the RX no-longer has a kicker for,the same price as a '17...you know, the '17 that HAS a kicker...). The kicker should be available in a kit...that's extra $, btw. Therefore, the "deal" for the electric-start crowd is on a remaining '17 RX...especially those Guy's that want both starters.

Parts for the '17 haven't been a problem for my friends that have '17s.

There were some cracked-cases at the kick-start-shaft early on and those were warrantied.

Truth be told, the '17 R would be the ultimate deal if you can find one when the '18s come out. Why? Less is more. No battery to maintain or replace. Less electrical crap. Easiest to make REALLY, REALLY LIGHT-WEIGHT...etc. All the while, I'll take a '17 RX (my personal scoot is coming from their race-pool of '17 RXs)...my shirt fat ass needs electric start when I stall it on the side of a hill!

So, uh...again...no...Honda screwed no-one. I've got more hours on the R and RX than I can count: they're BULLET PROOF. If they put a Wide Ratio in it and provide us with an actual "X" version? I'll be getting even MORE hours on Honda's new scoots.

My notes from hours on the '17:

I prefer a 48T on the rear of the RX & run the mild map for off-road...I even drop a tooth on the R (Glen Helen/Pala: I get more out of 2nd and 3rd...I'm an off-roader at heart).
I like the Andrew Short bend on both.
The wider tank-shrouds on the RX make it easier to hang on to with my legs.
Raptor or HRC pegs are truly nice (bigger).
RX engine hangers a slight mod (2-3mm hole mid-belt/go see HRC race bikes) make for a more steel-frame-like feel.
Guts seat foam and cover with ribs across the back to keep me "in the saddle".
These things REALLY LIKE VP T4!
PC system is actually QUIETER than the stock rattle-can system.
I'm amazed at Metzer's new "Mid" tires...even on hard-pack out in the Dez (with Michelin Bibs).
An R tank requires R shrouds (for those that're thinking about it for their RX!).
Strategically located Ti bolts that're are of fairly standard size (regular m6, m8 and m10) can pull a coupl'a pounds off.
A Galfer front rotor is tougher in the rocks (tho, this bike has a waaaay better stock rotor than the old ones).
Changing the front sprocket may be the easier/less expensive way to adjust hearing...and, always, get a new chain!
PC & FC seem to have the new forks figured out.

Old&New wrote:

The 2017 sells for $8795. The electric start including installation is $1,000. The electric start kit is back ordered with no ETA from Honda. With the...

The 2017 sells for $8795. The electric start including installation is $1,000. The electric start kit is back ordered with no ETA from Honda.

With the 2018 costing $9195 including electric start ($500 less than adding to the 17) and shipping in 2 months I feel 100% screwed over by Honda.

Either you don't pay retail for your shit or you can't do basic math.

vetmxr wrote:

i probably wouldnt buy a bike without backup kickstart