2016 KTM/Husky 350 - 58Hp

fullysicmate
Edited Date/Time 9/9/2015 9:35am
After seeing the specs on the new 350's I am dead keen to get one. Has anyone got one that could give me a review? And I am also after any opinions on reliability, I am a little concerned that getting 58Hp out of a 350 will reduce engine life.

Thanks.
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GeorgiePorgie 9/7/2015 8:07am
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I rode a Kim 350 at demo day. It was the only bike I loved. I would buy one. They're great machines. Not sure how much difference the H are.
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bvm111 9/7/2015 8:12am
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I really am leaning towards the 350 also... Either orange or white... I have a mental hang up of not having a kawasaki next to my 06 KX250 in the garage which is a little OCD I know! BlinkBlinkBlinkBlinkTongueTongueTongue

Any who I am curious too about the reliability as those are some strong numbers from the bike, that being said I have never heard anything negative about them or read of any issues in the past!
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hillbilly 9/7/2015 8:16am
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They are calculating that from rpm.

About 2 HP per CI is the norm on naturally aspirated. Pro stock nhra are getting 3 but that is highly stressed.

A 250 is about 15 CI so a 350 would be 21 CI .

If 2.5 HP per CI it would put out 52 hp.

So,if they can let it rev way past what the limiter will stop it at then 58 may be possible at the crank.
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i could not get the link to work but search, MXA 2016 350 sxf tips. short but good. they claim 54.4 hp.

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hillbilly wrote:
They are calculating that from rpm. About 2 HP per CI is the norm on naturally aspirated. Pro stock nhra are getting 3 but that is...
They are calculating that from rpm.

About 2 HP per CI is the norm on naturally aspirated. Pro stock nhra are getting 3 but that is highly stressed.

A 250 is about 15 CI so a 350 would be 21 CI .

If 2.5 HP per CI it would put out 52 hp.

So,if they can let it rev way past what the limiter will stop it at then 58 may be possible at the crank.
These are low stress compared to a 2014 2.4L f-1 engine putting out 750hp. The 2014 engine had to last 5 races which is about 8 hours. 8 hours is about the engine time of 3 national mx weekends.
Bigoldbeef 9/7/2015 9:26am
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fullysicmate wrote:
After seeing the specs on the new 350's I am dead keen to get one. Has anyone got one that could give me a review? And...
After seeing the specs on the new 350's I am dead keen to get one. Has anyone got one that could give me a review? And I am also after any opinions on reliability, I am a little concerned that getting 58Hp out of a 350 will reduce engine life.

Thanks.
One of my close friends has a 14, he's up to 70 hours on it and hasn't opened the engine up yet. Only oil changes and air filters.
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hillbilly 9/7/2015 9:33am
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hillbilly wrote:
They are calculating that from rpm. About 2 HP per CI is the norm on naturally aspirated. Pro stock nhra are getting 3 but that is...
They are calculating that from rpm.

About 2 HP per CI is the norm on naturally aspirated. Pro stock nhra are getting 3 but that is highly stressed.

A 250 is about 15 CI so a 350 would be 21 CI .

If 2.5 HP per CI it would put out 52 hp.

So,if they can let it rev way past what the limiter will stop it at then 58 may be possible at the crank.
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These are low stress compared to a 2014 2.4L f-1 engine putting out 750hp. The 2014 engine had to last 5 races which is about 8...
These are low stress compared to a 2014 2.4L f-1 engine putting out 750hp. The 2014 engine had to last 5 races which is about 8 hours. 8 hours is about the engine time of 3 national mx weekends.
You really gonna compare a f1 engine to this? Lol.
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loftyair 9/7/2015 9:39am
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Besides a 300cc 2-stroke, the 350 seems like a great bike.
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fullysicmate wrote:
After seeing the specs on the new 350's I am dead keen to get one. Has anyone got one that could give me a review? And...
After seeing the specs on the new 350's I am dead keen to get one. Has anyone got one that could give me a review? And I am also after any opinions on reliability, I am a little concerned that getting 58Hp out of a 350 will reduce engine life.

Thanks.
Bigoldbeef wrote:
One of my close friends has a 14, he's up to 70 hours on it and hasn't opened the engine up yet. Only oil changes and...
One of my close friends has a 14, he's up to 70 hours on it and hasn't opened the engine up yet. Only oil changes and air filters.
I've put almost 4,000 miles on a '15 FE350S in Baja. Everything from REALLY hot & right canyons where yiur trying to climb up the canyon walls to 80mph runs down the beach for 20 miles.

Nothing but oil-changes/filters and air filters (DT-1 Super Duty) in the engine.
STOCK CHAIN AND REAR SPROCKET (chg'd front sprocket to a 13T at 500 miles)
Not even a clutch.

Husky's have all the good stuff and it lasts.

Good Luck!
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jeffro503 9/7/2015 10:38am
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Damn , these bikes are getting faster and faster and lighter and lighter. We're all going to need pilot's licenses here in a few years. Literally a rocket ship.
fullysicmate 9/7/2015 10:42am
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fullysicmate wrote:
After seeing the specs on the new 350's I am dead keen to get one. Has anyone got one that could give me a review? And...
After seeing the specs on the new 350's I am dead keen to get one. Has anyone got one that could give me a review? And I am also after any opinions on reliability, I am a little concerned that getting 58Hp out of a 350 will reduce engine life.

Thanks.
Bigoldbeef wrote:
One of my close friends has a 14, he's up to 70 hours on it and hasn't opened the engine up yet. Only oil changes and...
One of my close friends has a 14, he's up to 70 hours on it and hasn't opened the engine up yet. Only oil changes and air filters.
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I've put almost 4,000 miles on a '15 FE350S in Baja. Everything from REALLY hot & right canyons where yiur trying to climb up the canyon...
I've put almost 4,000 miles on a '15 FE350S in Baja. Everything from REALLY hot & right canyons where yiur trying to climb up the canyon walls to 80mph runs down the beach for 20 miles.

Nothing but oil-changes/filters and air filters (DT-1 Super Duty) in the engine.
STOCK CHAIN AND REAR SPROCKET (chg'd front sprocket to a 13T at 500 miles)
Not even a clutch.

Husky's have all the good stuff and it lasts.

Good Luck!
That's awesome, do you think the 2016 model with the extra Hp will last that long though. More hp generally means less reliability, but from what I know that is when you add more hp to a standard engine. With a 58Hp standard engine will that be reliable (I hope so). I just changed the piston in a 2014 CRF250 with 70Hrs and there was barely a mark on it, I would like to get those intervals out of the 350.
fullysicmate 9/7/2015 10:43am
9/7/2015 10:43am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2015 11:04am
jeffro503 wrote:
Damn , these bikes are getting faster and faster and lighter and lighter. We're all going to need pilot's licenses here in a few years. Literally...
Damn , these bikes are getting faster and faster and lighter and lighter. We're all going to need pilot's licenses here in a few years. Literally a rocket ship.
Yeah it's crazy, these 350's have the same Hp as the most powerful 2015 450!
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JB 19 9/7/2015 11:00am
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A few reviews are saying that the Husky feels faster than the KTM.....likely due to the the different air box. It might be time for me to pull the trigger on a 350. I have loved the idea of 450ish power in a 250 package, but the execution was poor back in 11'. Looks like they have it right this time.

Some KTM guys also say the 350 is the most resilient of all KTM models. Probably built tougher because of the piston size and rpm's it turns I suppose.
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Kawasaki572 9/7/2015 1:43pm
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brimx153 wrote:
i call crap on 58hp.
Yeah. Mxa got 54.41HP out of their 2016 350sxf. That puts it in front of the Honda 450, but not any other 2015+ 450.
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Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of other bike traits that riders would be better served focusing on.

Cheers!
fullysicmate 9/7/2015 2:42pm
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keith101 wrote:
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of...
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of other bike traits that riders would be better served focusing on.

Cheers!
Great input Keith, cheers.
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keith101 wrote:
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of...
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of other bike traits that riders would be better served focusing on.

Cheers!
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keith101 wrote:
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of...
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of other bike traits that riders would be better served focusing on.

Cheers!
fullysicmate wrote:
Great input Keith, cheers.
58HP=reduced tire life mate! Smile
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keith101 wrote:
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of...
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of other bike traits that riders would be better served focusing on.

Cheers!
fullysicmate wrote:
Great input Keith, cheers.
keith101 wrote:
58HP=reduced tire life mate! Smile
Yep. And arm pump , nerves shot to hell and some dirty underwear every now and then haha. Smile It does help with one thing though....it'll get you to the crash site sooner and way before anyone else.
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keith101 wrote:
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of...
Most wouldn't be able to master 25HP properly, much less over 50. I think the MX community is obsessed with HP numbers. There's a lot of other bike traits that riders would be better served focusing on.

Cheers!
Well the brakes of KTMs are number one. The stopping power is awesome. Still not totally sold on the suspension. But in fairness I haven't been on one enough to adjust and mess with settings.
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They're ridiculously good. The power is great–people talk about them having less torque than a 450, well yeah. But it also doesn't tire you out as much and is really easy to ride.

Love my bike. Best I've had. I imagine the new ones are better again–they do feel smaller tho so might not be a go-er for me at any point.
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BB67 wrote:
i could not get the link to work but search, MXA 2016 350 sxf tips. short but good. they claim 54.4 hp.
KTM must slashed their advertising commitment with MXA for next year Shocked
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Have had my 350 SXF for 2 weeks, great bike already quicker on it than my 300sx.(300 has Ohlins shock and forks)
Was suppose to do first race on Sunday but was cancelled due to weather, so will have to wait until this weekend.

I went back and forth over buying a 450 or 350 glad I decided on the 350.
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BB67 wrote:
i could not get the link to work but search, MXA 2016 350 sxf tips. short but good. they claim 54.4 hp.
Rear wheel or crank?
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BB67 wrote:
i could not get the link to work but search, MXA 2016 350 sxf tips. short but good. they claim 54.4 hp.
overthebars39 wrote:
Rear wheel or crank?
mxa probably rear wheel, 58 hp crank. Since chains and gears take away about 7.5% that works out to 54 at the rear wheel.
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kiwifan 9/7/2015 10:25pm
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My mate has a KTM 2015 350 i rode it and to use the 50+HP you have to the rev the guts out of it like a 250, so yeah if you dont like to rev it then fine but you will be way lower in the HP range but it will last....rev the tits out of it every ride and (with proper maintenance) it will last longer than a 250 but not as long as a 450.

So riding style makes a big difference to a) how long the bike will last vs a 450 and b) how fast you will go vs a 450

One of the posters above made a good point you do NOT need mega HP to go fast (unless you are at pro level, not many of us here at that level), which is why Honda 450 riders still win ....like it or not.
fullysicmate 9/7/2015 10:52pm
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My mate has a KTM 2015 350 i rode it and to use the 50+HP you have to the rev the guts out of it like...
My mate has a KTM 2015 350 i rode it and to use the 50+HP you have to the rev the guts out of it like a 250, so yeah if you dont like to rev it then fine but you will be way lower in the HP range but it will last....rev the tits out of it every ride and (with proper maintenance) it will last longer than a 250 but not as long as a 450.

So riding style makes a big difference to a) how long the bike will last vs a 450 and b) how fast you will go vs a 450

One of the posters above made a good point you do NOT need mega HP to go fast (unless you are at pro level, not many of us here at that level), which is why Honda 450 riders still win ....like it or not.
Thats good because the 2015 350 did not have the same hp as the 16 so hopefully the 16 can be ridden lower rpm again. I think a lot are missing what my concern is here. Its the fact that its making that amount of hp out of a small capacity lightweight engine. I have read that ama pro 250 bikes have 50+ hp, but they rebuild their engines after every race where I want to get 50hrs minimum, more hp usually means less longevity. I just hope they would not release a production bike that requires that much maintenance. Time will tell I guess.

I am fully aware that you don't need big hp to go fast around a mx track, I have a 250 and 450 and I am not faster around a mx track on the 450, I do ride some state forests and race some enduro where there are speeds in excess of 120kph and can be for a few k's, I don't like doing that to the little 250f they just cant do high speed without being high geared, then they are no good in the tight trees and creeks. So that's why the 350 appeals, lightweight and can handle speed....hopefully.
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cwtoyota 9/7/2015 10:57pm
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loftyair wrote:
Besides a 300cc 2-stroke, the 350 seems like a great bike.
I agree. The 350 responds well to the aggressive rider, has plenty of power for most situations and doesn't handle like a truck in the corners.

It doesn't have the horsepower that my YZ300 does, but what the 350SX has is more usable on a larger percentage of the track. I wish other manufacturers made a 350F and it became a bit more mainstream in amateur racing.
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Chadillac661 9/8/2015 1:32am
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Its a 4 stroke, it doesn't matter if it has 100 hp.

It's still as entertaining as watching paint dry...

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