2016 KTM 250 Motor Mods?

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Edited Date/Time 1/29/2016 5:57am
Has anyone had luck with engine mods on the new KTM 250 SX-F? Anything you have done that you can share pros and cons? Cam, high comp piston?

Thanks dudes!
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Has anyone had luck with engine mods on the new KTM 250 SX-F? Anything you have done that you can share pros and cons? Cam, high...
Has anyone had luck with engine mods on the new KTM 250 SX-F? Anything you have done that you can share pros and cons? Cam, high comp piston?

Thanks dudes!
Check out chad sanners (eleven10 mods) instagram, he was making some pretty wild numbers on one of them. I can't remember if it was a 15 or 16 tho.
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Ceramic coating the headers is good for 2-3%.
1/28/2016 8:15am
CJV,
I'm sure most reputable shops are doing work on those by now. Although "All New" I have porting, exhaust and a vortex on my 2013 with great results. Vortex was a amazing addition.
Like Ricko stated above... Chad pumped out some great HP/Torque numbers using the stock valve train on a 16 KTM!
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1/28/2016 8:23am Edited Date/Time 1/28/2016 8:24am

If you are looking for the fastest and most reliable 250 SX-F motor possible, look up Tom Zont Racing... Check 'em out on social media, there's nobody better and doing the things he's doing at the moment. Master of KTM's right now.

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CJV, I'm sure most reputable shops are doing work on those by now. Although "All New" I have porting, exhaust and a vortex on my 2013...
CJV,
I'm sure most reputable shops are doing work on those by now. Although "All New" I have porting, exhaust and a vortex on my 2013 with great results. Vortex was a amazing addition.
Like Ricko stated above... Chad pumped out some great HP/Torque numbers using the stock valve train on a 16 KTM!
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Did you fee much difference in bottom end with those mods?
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1/28/2016 9:16am
I would definitely do your research on motor guys, unfortunately alot of them are slowwwww or have a tough reputation. One of the most reliable motor guys I've worked with was Dan Crower, the cam guy. He's doing a great job on bikes lately and has a full package available now, i.e mapping and porting, not just cams. TZR (tom zont) seems to have a pretty good motor package as well but He does run an arenacross team so you have to take into account he might have his hands full this time of year. A bunch of my friends have had motors done by TLR in florida with great results but he's obviously on the opposite coast as you. Sanner at 11/10 is a genius and has some one off mods he does that make bike really great (he built my race bike) but he is notorious for not answering phones, having motors for months untouched and so-on. I'm sure I'm missing some really big names too but those are some of the guys I'm more familiar with.
1/28/2016 9:22am
CJV,
Not so much as a hard hit but just a meaty feel from gear to gear.
The fact that the Vortex allowed it to rev so much further is amazing on a already rocket of a 250f. Most good engine guys can mod to your desired preference/specs.
Zont? I wonder if that's the same Zont family that painted my helmets in the 90's under "Paint Can Designs"?
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1/28/2016 9:43am
Can't anyone just call KTM and have the Factory Services dept build them a motor? No, I'm not joking.
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1/28/2016 10:37am
Can't anyone just call KTM and have the Factory Services dept build them a motor? No, I'm not joking.
Not anymore, teams only.
1/28/2016 10:47am
The bike Sanner dyno'd at 49.5hp recently is for sale because the owner got hurt. the list of mods is posted, and its a lot more than just "race fuel and vortex". its not super extensive though. There's a piston (vertex) and he said "modified stock cams" so i dont know if he had someone like Web do a re-grind or what. wasn't very specific.
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1/28/2016 11:03am
I wonder if on most riders "very best day" they could ever come close to using the full potential of the stock motor?
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DCR cams, piston, put some weight on the crank, upstream injector, genius throttle body, porting, custom pipe from MRD racing and you could get it over 50 at the wheel without a problem on a good tune.

Id say go with DCR dan knows his stuff and is making some killer bikes at the moment
1/28/2016 11:19am
Tbteam wrote:
I wonder if on most riders "very best day" they could ever come close to using the full potential of the stock motor?
define "potential".

I've often felt the same way. thinking "meh...this squid couldn't use all of a 93 CR125"

But that same squid on a 450 will turn faster lap times than he will on the 93 CR125, will he not? so should he ride the CR125 out of "principle", or should be get what HE is fastest on?
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Tbteam wrote:
I wonder if on most riders "very best day" they could ever come close to using the full potential of the stock motor?
Sometimes the motor work is to make a motor more "usable" to the rider. That enables the rider to take advantage of more "potential." It's all subjective. The way a stock motor is may not be the best for the guy who has the bike. A little tweaking here and there to move the power where he rides is beneficial.

There's more to making a fast motor than what the dyno sheet shows.

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1/28/2016 12:41pm
Any idea where to find the Spanner motor you are talking about?

I don't need a rocket ship or factory motor, just want more bottom end. I rode my buddies 2015 Yamaha 250f and really liked that feel. Just want to see if I can move some power around.
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1/28/2016 12:58pm
Joe call DCR

Dan did some work on my 250 and my 350

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Go up a few teeth on the rear!! Smile

Just being obtuse because it's early.

Does seem like it's possible to get good results from fueling rather than really stretching the motor... duel injectors from quick wrench sounded promising with a get ignition....
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CJV, Not so much as a hard hit but just a meaty feel from gear to gear. The fact that the Vortex allowed it to rev...
CJV,
Not so much as a hard hit but just a meaty feel from gear to gear.
The fact that the Vortex allowed it to rev so much further is amazing on a already rocket of a 250f. Most good engine guys can mod to your desired preference/specs.
Zont? I wonder if that's the same Zont family that painted my helmets in the 90's under "Paint Can Designs"?
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Yes same family, Mike Zont has been the designer at Decal Works for years.. Tom Zont is the genius mechanic and Scott Zont is the one still racing and working with Tom... Great family.
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1/28/2016 3:05pm
Crush wrote:
Go up a few teeth on the rear!! :) Just being obtuse because it's early. Does seem like it's possible to get good results from fueling...
Go up a few teeth on the rear!! Smile

Just being obtuse because it's early.

Does seem like it's possible to get good results from fueling rather than really stretching the motor... duel injectors from quick wrench sounded promising with a get ignition....
Hey Crush, I tried going up a tooth in the rear which helped pull out of corners but then I ended up shifting way more all around the track.
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1/28/2016 3:07pm
Any idea where to find the Spanner motor you are talking about? I don't need a rocket ship or factory motor, just want more bottom end...
Any idea where to find the Spanner motor you are talking about?

I don't need a rocket ship or factory motor, just want more bottom end. I rode my buddies 2015 Yamaha 250f and really liked that feel. Just want to see if I can move some power around.
Look at cams, Williams Motowerx with a remap and you should be pretty happy.
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1/28/2016 3:40pm
I have a vortex that I had on my AX bike. It was a 2014 though, if it will work and your interested give me a call, 517-376-1438 Thanks,Jerry
1/28/2016 4:13pm
Sounds like you need a 16 350 SX-f Joe. I think you'll be very happy with it stock, and the service life is longer. They're just easier to ride and a great bike for Vets.
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1/28/2016 4:29pm
Sounds like you need a 16 350 SX-f Joe. I think you'll be very happy with it stock, and the service life is longer. They're just...
Sounds like you need a 16 350 SX-f Joe. I think you'll be very happy with it stock, and the service life is longer. They're just easier to ride and a great bike for Vets.
Don't get me wrong. I love my 250, plenty of power on the top for sure. I'm dealing with a shoulder injury at the moment so the bike is apart. I'm going to do a new piston while the motor is out. Want to add a little bottom pep while I'm in there.. Whistling
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1/28/2016 5:56pm
Peak hp on a dyno is usually a function of rpm youd never want to put your stuff at again and again.

The torque curve is more important to me.
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1/28/2016 9:35pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2016 9:35pm
Just call Ron Hamp @ RHC. He's the porting/cam guy you want to talk to. He's done a lot of bikes (behind the scenes) for the stars...His stuff has holeshot many a sx main. He' s a motor guy through and through.

There is another guy that's a high dollar consultant to professional race teams in Nascar and some moto (just a little bit in moto). His name is Bob Wirth. He' s in N. Cal. Hayward. Near Oakland actually. He's a legend in the motor world. He does consulting to teams on engine packages and designs. Some of his stuff was on a well know moto team a few years ago. You'll know the teams name. Bob is an unreal resource of information. He even consults with Fuel companies on mixes. He's worked for some of the big 4 moto mfg's as an engine consultant.

He's that good. But you've never heard of him......
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Hey Crush, I tried going up a tooth in the rear which helped pull out of corners but then I ended up shifting way more all...
Hey Crush, I tried going up a tooth in the rear which helped pull out of corners but then I ended up shifting way more all around the track.
Haha... Yeah I know that too. I actually went to a 48 with my 350 and went back to using 2nd in turns... 350 likes to rev!

I do like the idea of fueling though, look up the Quick Wrench KTM 350 tested at Vital. Those results sound promising because you're not fluffing with cams/porting etc... just optimisation.
1/28/2016 11:06pm
Sounds like you need a 16 350 SX-f Joe. I think you'll be very happy with it stock, and the service life is longer. They're just...
Sounds like you need a 16 350 SX-f Joe. I think you'll be very happy with it stock, and the service life is longer. They're just easier to ride and a great bike for Vets.
Don't get me wrong. I love my 250, plenty of power on the top for sure. I'm dealing with a shoulder injury at the moment so...
Don't get me wrong. I love my 250, plenty of power on the top for sure. I'm dealing with a shoulder injury at the moment so the bike is apart. I'm going to do a new piston while the motor is out. Want to add a little bottom pep while I'm in there.. Whistling
Well in that case, plenty of good names listed here.
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1/29/2016 5:32am
A FWW is a cheep and easy add on that will gain bottom and smooth out the power, should help with a injury. Or steel clutch plates.
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1/29/2016 5:57am
My vote is for a re map. Changing fuel and IGN down low in the rpm's car really wake up the bike. If that's not enough, then I would go with hard parts. just my .02

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