2014...Craziest Silly Season Ever !

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Edited Date/Time 2/28/2014 9:01pm
I was going over the riders that will be on the open market at the end of the year. Including current 450 guys as well as 250 riders that will more than likely be moving up. When you see this list you can see why guys like Barcia want their deal done early. Some guys are going to get left out in the cold as there simply is not enough spots available.

Current 450 riders available for 2015 -

Justin Bracia- No secret that Barcia is not happy with his bike this year. Early reports having him going to JGR for 2015.

Trey Canard - Trey had a solid season last year but a broken arm has put him on the sidelines again so far in 14. If Barcia does leave I think Honda re - signs Trey for sure.

Ken Roczen - The golden boy of 14. Even though there is a lot of talk about Kenny going to factory Kawi for 15 I don't think Red Bull / KTM lets him get away. After all Kenny is German and with both Red Bull & KTM being German/Austrian based companies I just don't see them letting him walk.

Davi Millsaps - Davi is still about a month away from racing again after his ACL surgery. It was well known that he was ready to walk away from Rockstar racing and almost signed with 22 Motorsports for 14. Will he stay put for 15 or does he go shopping?

Jake Weimer - I don't see Weimer back with factory Kawi in 15. Where will he end up?

Justin Brayton - After a solid SX season so far this year I really think JGR will keep Brayton. His biggest issue the last few years is he has been terrible outdoors. That surely hurts his value.

Josh Grant - Another tough year for Josh as he has already missed a few races this year due to injury. I really think its going to be tough on him to get a decent ride for 15 unless he lights the world on fire during the nationals.

Broc Tickle - Mr. Plain Cheese Pizza has added some red pepper for 2014. He is a solid top 10 guy indoors and out. I say he stays @ RCH as their 2nd rider.

Josh Hill - Hill is another guy that needs some good finishes to have a chance at a good ride for 15. And he needs to do it before the SX season is over. As the outdoors has never been his strong suit.

Andrew Short - Shorty is a solid top 10 rider indoors and out. I say he re - signs with BTO/KTM.

Matt Goerke - Goerke is off from where he was in 13. He should have some better finishes outdoors, he needs some results if he wants a chance at a decent ride for 15.

Weston Peike - Peike will have a serious ride for 15.....STAMP IT! I say BTO/KTM or RCH.

Ivan Tedesco - IT9 has been filling in for an injured Millsaps. I have to say he is doing better than I thought he would after a year on the sidelines. Will he race again in 15? Does anyone give him a serious look as a 2nd or 3rd rider on a team I think is the question?

Phil Nicoletti - Have not seen enough of Phil this year to really know what he's capable of on the JGR Yamaha.

250 Riders Scheduled to move up to the 450 class for 2015 that are available ( a few of these Im not 100% on).

Dean Wilson - I think its a no brainer that Dean signs on to team 22 as a 2nd 450 rider to Chad in 15.

Jason Anderson - I think Anderson will be a very hot property this silly season. No word on where he might go for 15.

Cole Seely - I heard Seely could end up on either a Yosh Suzuki or a factory Honda in the 450 class for 15.

Marvin Musquin - Marvin is another guy I think will have several teams interested for 15. Lots of talent indoors and out.

Blake Baggett - Does he have what it takes to be a top 450 rider in SX? I guess we will find out soon enough. The question is with shopping among this crowd how much interest will he get?

Matin Davalos - I picked Davolos to win the 250 east title this year. Will be interesting to see if he can find a solid 450 ride for 15 if he wins the title. Have we ever had a 450 rookie that was 28 years old?

Christophe Pourcel - Signed with Valli Yamaha for the 14 , 250 nationals. Will he impress enough to gain interest for a 450 ride in 15? Who knows.....first things first.....will he actually show up for the nationals? For now that is the bigger question.
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2/26/2014 4:45pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2014 4:45pm
RV is up this year too.

I bet he is going to Factory Honda
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enketchum wrote:
RV is up this year too.

I bet he is going to Factory Honda
Nope, he has another year, he's in yr 2 of 3
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I am willing to bet Honda goes after WP and will likely keep Canard, I doubt they will try and keep Barcia.

KTM will keep their current crop of riders why would they want anyone else or want to lose them? They are a very solid team and very well managed.
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2/26/2014 6:03pm
RV has one more year on his contract. So does Dungey , Stewart , Reed , Tomac and Hahn. I think James, Chad and maybe Eli have an additional "option" year on their contracts.

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2/26/2014 6:42pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2014 6:45pm
Is there any factual information you can share about the "almost walked from Rockstar" comment?
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Ken Roczen - The golden boy of 14. Even though there is a lot of talk about Kenny going to factory Kawi for 15 I don't think Red Bull / KTM lets him get away. After all Kenny is German and with both Red Bull & KTM being German/Austrian based companies I just don't see them letting him walk.

KTM and Red Bull are both Austrian based.
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2/27/2014 2:19am
Is there any factual information you can share about the "almost walked from Rockstar" comment?
JT point blank said Reedy was really close to signing Davi on this year. Didn't say why it didn't happen, but it was a post-event factual statement the way it was delivered.
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Is there any factual information you can share about the "almost walked from Rockstar" comment?
Crush wrote:
JT point blank said Reedy was really close to signing Davi on this year. Didn't say why it didn't happen, but it was a post-event factual...
JT point blank said Reedy was really close to signing Davi on this year. Didn't say why it didn't happen, but it was a post-event factual statement the way it was delivered.
I remember it was around the same time Rockstar announced they were gonna be on KTM's not Suzuki's. Davi really looked smooth on his RMZ.
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enketchum wrote:
RV is up this year too.

I bet he is going to Factory Honda
DonM wrote:
Nope, he has another year, he's in yr 2 of 3
I'm pretty sure he was joking about RV
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I am pretty sure Husky will bring a team in 2015.

I can just see them moving their KTM line-up around though. Marvin will probably move up and onto a Husky, and maybe they will sign another 450 rider and a 250 rider.

I think Yamaha might step in with more of a factory team. They seem to be stepping up their programme again, and they haven't really had a title contender since Stewart back in 2011.

Perhaps Yamaha would sign someone like Barcia? Then Cooper Webb on a 250?

How about Baggett replacing Weimer on the Kawi? It makes sense as a progression from Factory Circuit and he kills it in the outdoors.

I think Seely will just stay with TLD and go onto a 450. He is already committed to riding a 450 on the same team in the outdoors isn't he?
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2/27/2014 5:44am
I heard RV is going to GasGas.
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Thoughts...

1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that.

2. I thought RV said '15 would be his last season...for Kawasaki, and for racing period.

3. Don't know what Millsaps will ride for '15...but it's pretty apparent that he dislikes the KTM.

4. I definately see Baggett replacing Weimer on Kawasaki. He is a warrior indoors, is all business & hauls ass outdoors.

5. Yamaha needs to come to the party in a big way. Webb in the 250's & a challenger on the 450 (Barcia via JGR?).

6. How about Dungey? I just don't think he's as happy at KTM as Roczen is. Is this the Dunge's last year with KTM also?
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With how Honda has been lately, I am surprised you are saying WP would shine on a bike that it seems like folks are struggling to shine on lately. Someone recently posted that Honda is the new Yamaha and I don't think that is too far from the truth.
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2/27/2014 6:52am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2014 6:54am
Why do people draw a correlation between an Austrian manufacturer and a German rider as if they would be more inclined to keep said rider because of his nationality? They're different countries. Sometimes the speculation that becomes "fact" on the forums is just outright bizarre.

The silly season threads are always the worst for this. The reasoning people come up with for certain riders going to certain places is absolutely comedic.
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12 Pack wrote:
Why do people draw a correlation between an Austrian manufacturer and a German rider as if they would be more inclined to keep said rider because...
Why do people draw a correlation between an Austrian manufacturer and a German rider as if they would be more inclined to keep said rider because of his nationality? They're different countries. Sometimes the speculation that becomes "fact" on the forums is just outright bizarre.

The silly season threads are always the worst for this. The reasoning people come up with for certain riders going to certain places is absolutely comedic.
Good first post.... Thank you..... People make changes in their lives to better their career. Roczen (or KTM) have to consider their own interests, despite loyalty to a country they aren't from. lol
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davistld01 wrote:
Thoughts... 1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that. 2. I thought RV said...
Thoughts...

1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that.

2. I thought RV said '15 would be his last season...for Kawasaki, and for racing period.

3. Don't know what Millsaps will ride for '15...but it's pretty apparent that he dislikes the KTM.

4. I definately see Baggett replacing Weimer on Kawasaki. He is a warrior indoors, is all business & hauls ass outdoors.

5. Yamaha needs to come to the party in a big way. Webb in the 250's & a challenger on the 450 (Barcia via JGR?).

6. How about Dungey? I just don't think he's as happy at KTM as Roczen is. Is this the Dunge's last year with KTM also?
I didn't see where Milsaps said he wasn't happy with the Katoom. He hasn't really had a chance to ride it.
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davistld01 wrote:
Thoughts... 1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that. 2. I thought RV said...
Thoughts...

1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that.

2. I thought RV said '15 would be his last season...for Kawasaki, and for racing period.

3. Don't know what Millsaps will ride for '15...but it's pretty apparent that he dislikes the KTM.

4. I definately see Baggett replacing Weimer on Kawasaki. He is a warrior indoors, is all business & hauls ass outdoors.

5. Yamaha needs to come to the party in a big way. Webb in the 250's & a challenger on the 450 (Barcia via JGR?).

6. How about Dungey? I just don't think he's as happy at KTM as Roczen is. Is this the Dunge's last year with KTM also?
mgifracing wrote:
I didn't see where Milsaps said he wasn't happy with the Katoom. He hasn't really had a chance to ride it.
wasnt dv riding a ktm when he tore his acl right after having surgery to re-straighten his leg?
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davistld01 wrote:
Thoughts... 1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that. 2. I thought RV said...
Thoughts...

1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that.

2. I thought RV said '15 would be his last season...for Kawasaki, and for racing period.

3. Don't know what Millsaps will ride for '15...but it's pretty apparent that he dislikes the KTM.

4. I definately see Baggett replacing Weimer on Kawasaki. He is a warrior indoors, is all business & hauls ass outdoors.

5. Yamaha needs to come to the party in a big way. Webb in the 250's & a challenger on the 450 (Barcia via JGR?).

6. How about Dungey? I just don't think he's as happy at KTM as Roczen is. Is this the Dunge's last year with KTM also?
mgifracing wrote:
I didn't see where Milsaps said he wasn't happy with the Katoom. He hasn't really had a chance to ride it.
It was pretty widely shared rumor that Davey almost threatened to jump ship from Rockstar when they jumped ship from Suzuki since he was so comfortable and confident on that bike...and apparently wasn't anywhere near that on the Katoom.
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davistld01 wrote:
Thoughts... 1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that. 2. I thought RV said...
Thoughts...

1. WP would kill it on the Honda. He's just a great talent anyway, and rides hard. Honda needs that.

2. I thought RV said '15 would be his last season...for Kawasaki, and for racing period.

3. Don't know what Millsaps will ride for '15...but it's pretty apparent that he dislikes the KTM.

4. I definately see Baggett replacing Weimer on Kawasaki. He is a warrior indoors, is all business & hauls ass outdoors.

5. Yamaha needs to come to the party in a big way. Webb in the 250's & a challenger on the 450 (Barcia via JGR?).

6. How about Dungey? I just don't think he's as happy at KTM as Roczen is. Is this the Dunge's last year with KTM also?
mgifracing wrote:
I didn't see where Milsaps said he wasn't happy with the Katoom. He hasn't really had a chance to ride it.
wasnt dv riding a ktm when he tore his acl right after having surgery to re-straighten his leg?
The crash video was all over the 'net and had absolutely nothing to do with the company who manufactured his bike. It did, however, have to do with his boot hooking the bike exactly like Reed's did in Dallas, 2012.
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I have heard that Davi was initially unhappy with the KTM but I would like to see how he performs on it before making any conclusions about it. Millsaps was a Suzuki guy for most of his amateur career I believe so I would think that any bike that he gets on he probably won't be as comfortable on as he was on the Suzuki! Davi to RCH would be cool!
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All I see here is complete speculation. There is no solid truth anywhere. Millsaps never threatened to leave Rockstar, and he has never verbally complained about the bike? The interviews I saw he seemed upbeat and confident in the KTM switch.

You douches really need to stop makin shit up, the. Spreading it around like its a fact.
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2/27/2014 8:48am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2014 8:49am
TallonT911 wrote:
I have heard that Davi was initially unhappy with the KTM but I would like to see how he performs on it before making any conclusions...
I have heard that Davi was initially unhappy with the KTM but I would like to see how he performs on it before making any conclusions about it. Millsaps was a Suzuki guy for most of his amateur career I believe so I would think that any bike that he gets on he probably won't be as comfortable on as he was on the Suzuki! Davi to RCH would be cool!
The RM85s and RM125s that Milsaps rode as an amateur and the steel-framed Kawazuki 250F he rode as a rookie pro share absolutely, positively not one single thing in common other than the color of their front fender with the current RMZ450. In addition to that, the 2015 Suzuki offering will be an all new bike and ALSO share nothing in common with the current RMZ450/

More of that strange, speculative thinking I was talking about. Not trying to single you out.
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2/27/2014 8:53am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2014 8:54am
BobPA wrote:
All I see here is complete speculation. There is no solid truth anywhere. Millsaps never threatened to leave Rockstar, and he has never verbally complained about...
All I see here is complete speculation. There is no solid truth anywhere. Millsaps never threatened to leave Rockstar, and he has never verbally complained about the bike? The interviews I saw he seemed upbeat and confident in the KTM switch.

You douches really need to stop makin shit up, the. Spreading it around like its a fact.
It's not professional to critisize your bike in the media when you're under contract. Davey is a pro, and knows about what to leak to the press and what not to. Many things were written about his disappointment with the change. Did you read the word RUMOR? Perhaps that's past your comprehension level. Douche.
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2/27/2014 8:57am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2014 8:58am
davistld01 wrote:
It's not professional to critisize your bike in the media when you're under contract. Davey is a pro, and knows about what to leak to the...
It's not professional to critisize your bike in the media when you're under contract. Davey is a pro, and knows about what to leak to the press and what not to. Many things were written about his disappointment with the change. Did you read the word RUMOR? Perhaps that's past your comprehension level. Douche.
Attaching "rumor" to bullshit does not make it admissible.

for example, davistld01 is rumored to enjoy shemale porn. probably complete bullshit, but now if you argue it, i point out the word rumor, criticize your reading comprehension, and call you a douche.
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12 Pack wrote:
Attaching "rumor" to bullshit does not make it admissible. for example, davistld01 is rumored to enjoy shemale porn. probably complete bullshit, but now if you argue...
Attaching "rumor" to bullshit does not make it admissible.

for example, davistld01 is rumored to enjoy shemale porn. probably complete bullshit, but now if you argue it, i point out the word rumor, criticize your reading comprehension, and call you a douche.
HA! I giggled.

but more seriously I really cant believe that all 30 people who are posting on this have all this "insider information" that is months away fromh happening. its all great guessing and putting your favorite riders on your favorite bikes. But to the guy who thinks peick on a honda would be good, have you seen this linebacker dude? how do you think he would do on that oddly setup frame with all the weight on the front wheel and the slowest bike on the circuit, i think hes perfectly suited on his zuk.
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2/27/2014 9:05am
What about Malcolm Stewart? Will he be with TLD for 15?
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davistld01 wrote:
It's not professional to critisize your bike in the media when you're under contract. Davey is a pro, and knows about what to leak to the...
It's not professional to critisize your bike in the media when you're under contract. Davey is a pro, and knows about what to leak to the press and what not to. Many things were written about his disappointment with the change. Did you read the word RUMOR? Perhaps that's past your comprehension level. Douche.
Link me to one source where it was written Davi was leaving Rockstar. Better yet, link me to one source where he actually claims to not like the bike, and not an article where ratards like you are just going on pure speculation.
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davistld01 wrote:
It's not professional to critisize your bike in the media when you're under contract. Davey is a pro, and knows about what to leak to the...
It's not professional to critisize your bike in the media when you're under contract. Davey is a pro, and knows about what to leak to the press and what not to. Many things were written about his disappointment with the change. Did you read the word RUMOR? Perhaps that's past your comprehension level. Douche.
BobPA wrote:
Link me to one source where it was written Davi was leaving Rockstar. Better yet, link me to one source where he actually claims to not...
Link me to one source where it was written Davi was leaving Rockstar. Better yet, link me to one source where he actually claims to not like the bike, and not an article where ratards like you are just going on pure speculation.
The word is RETARD. My apology. It's not reading comprehension, but proper spelling that we obviously need some time invested in.
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Hmmmm? I had some different reports about Davi. From what I had heard was that it took him a few rides on the KTM to start to feel comfortable on it and they were making good progress. And that he was actually really starting to like the bike a lot after some of the testing he had done.

Don't forget Davi is also well known to be a "Great " test rider. He can pretty much set up anything. There were certain races on that Yamaha he had that bike pretty dang dialed. I think the KTM has an even better platform compared to what the Yamaha had a couple years ago.

Davi also mentioned that " He's sticking with KTM "....and this was said shortly after getting off that Suzuki. BUT.....I gotta say , that Suzuki looked awesome underneath him!

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