20 minute +1 lap Mains: which riders will benefit from this?

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My picks:

Anderson
Baggett
Tomac
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ML512 12/29/2016 5:28pm
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I'm going to be lame and say "the current top three" of Roczen, Tomac, and Dungey. All three are in amazing shape, all three are at the top level in speed, and all three will just pull away even more with some added laps.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I don't really see it affecting the top 5 much. Might benefit guys who are better at passing when they start getting through the mappers
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ML512 wrote:
I'm going to be lame and say "the current top three" of Roczen, Tomac, and Dungey. All three are in amazing shape, all three are at...
I'm going to be lame and say "the current top three" of Roczen, Tomac, and Dungey. All three are in amazing shape, all three are at the top level in speed, and all three will just pull away even more with some added laps.
Not lame, really; but, these other guys have a bad habit of finding their speed at 12-15 minutes into the Main.

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Cooper Webb. That guy has heart, and other should worry about any extra laps they have with him on the track
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Nellie12 12/29/2016 5:33pm
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Is this a big deal? (the change) Looking back at last years results, it doesn't seem like the time spent racing is going to be much different. Was this a change for TV or the average fan?
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hvaughn88 wrote:
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't really see it affecting the top 5 much. Might benefit guys who are better at passing when they start...
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't really see it affecting the top 5 much. Might benefit guys who are better at passing when they start getting through the mappers
The 2016 Top 5 includes Reed...
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kong0036 12/29/2016 5:33pm
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I think Chad will benefit the most.
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Nellie12 wrote:
Is this a big deal? (the change) Looking back at last years results, it doesn't seem like the time spent racing is going to be much...
Is this a big deal? (the change) Looking back at last years results, it doesn't seem like the time spent racing is going to be much different. Was this a change for TV or the average fan?
2016 450 Mains/Elapsed Time + Lap Coount with additional laps when you go 20 min. +1 under the same conditions...

A1 20:57.823 +0
SD1 16:34.006 +4 - 5 (49.7/Lap-avg)
A2 19:25.414 +1 - 2 (58.25/Lap-avg)
Oakland 17:59.908 +3 - 4 (54/Lap-avg)
Glendale 21:06.141 +0
SD2 19:37.252 +1 - 2
Arlington 17:09.208 +3 - 4
Atlanta 15:26.334 +6 - 7 (46.3/Lap-avg...PATHETIC)
Daytona 22:09.070 +0
Toronto 18:32.119 +2 - 3
Detroit 15:53.440 +5 - 6
Santa Clara 14:38.083 +8- 9 (43.9/Lap-avg...Un-F'n-BELIEVABLE!)
Indianapolis 15:43.653 +5 - 6
St. Louis 18:14.137 +2 - 3
Foxborough 19:35.153 +1 -2
East Rutherford 15:13.858 +6 - 7
Las Vegas 21:00.243 +0
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hvaughn88 wrote:
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't really see it affecting the top 5 much. Might benefit guys who are better at passing when they start...
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't really see it affecting the top 5 much. Might benefit guys who are better at passing when they start getting through the mappers
TeamGreen wrote:
The 2016 Top 5 includes Reed...
I wonder who the top 5 will be this year.
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ML512 12/29/2016 5:40pm
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I think Chad will benefit the most.
Just peaking at five random races from last season, Chad dropped off consistently after lap 15 when compared to the top three-five at those races. Hopefully Chad works on that in 2017.
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Nellie12 12/29/2016 5:52pm
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Nellie12 wrote:
Is this a big deal? (the change) Looking back at last years results, it doesn't seem like the time spent racing is going to be much...
Is this a big deal? (the change) Looking back at last years results, it doesn't seem like the time spent racing is going to be much different. Was this a change for TV or the average fan?
TeamGreen wrote:
2016 450 Mains/Elapsed Time + Lap Coount with additional laps when you go 20 min. +1 under the same conditions... A1 20:57.823 +0 SD1 16:34.006 +4...
2016 450 Mains/Elapsed Time + Lap Coount with additional laps when you go 20 min. +1 under the same conditions...

A1 20:57.823 +0
SD1 16:34.006 +4 - 5 (49.7/Lap-avg)
A2 19:25.414 +1 - 2 (58.25/Lap-avg)
Oakland 17:59.908 +3 - 4 (54/Lap-avg)
Glendale 21:06.141 +0
SD2 19:37.252 +1 - 2
Arlington 17:09.208 +3 - 4
Atlanta 15:26.334 +6 - 7 (46.3/Lap-avg...PATHETIC)
Daytona 22:09.070 +0
Toronto 18:32.119 +2 - 3
Detroit 15:53.440 +5 - 6
Santa Clara 14:38.083 +8- 9 (43.9/Lap-avg...Un-F'n-BELIEVABLE!)
Indianapolis 15:43.653 +5 - 6
St. Louis 18:14.137 +2 - 3
Foxborough 19:35.153 +1 -2
East Rutherford 15:13.858 +6 - 7
Las Vegas 21:00.243 +0
Wow! I went into the archives and only looked at one race to see what the total time was. I'm surprised at a few of those races. But, still, on a supercross track and the level of fitness of the top 10?...you think it's going to make that much difference? And yes, Santa Clara ? Dang. Pathetic.
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Nellie12 12/29/2016 5:53pm
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So, will this make the lapper problem even MORE problematic? Probably.
GoggleFiend904 12/29/2016 5:54pm
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Id say tomac and webb. Tomacs starts arent the best and webb has serious heart (already been said)
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Nellie12 12/29/2016 5:54pm
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Regardless of the impact...this is a good thing.
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Starcrossed 12/29/2016 5:58pm
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GoggleFiend904 wrote:
Id say tomac and webb. Tomacs starts arent the best and webb has serious heart (already been said)
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I will take the leap of faith and assume that they are all preparing for 20 + 1! I think it will benefit the guys who can maintain that disciplined focus to hit their marks consistently and step around all of the lappers over the last 5 minutes. SX is so much more precise and giving up a tenth here and a tenth there adds up pretty quickly so lappers will play a larger role this year for sure I would think. This will give a top dog more time to get to the front if and when they get a bad start or fall, so that will make it more exciting I believe.

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kong0036 12/29/2016 6:21pm
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kong0036 wrote:
I think Chad will benefit the most.
ML512 wrote:
Just peaking at five random races from last season, Chad dropped off consistently after lap 15 when compared to the top three-five at those races. Hopefully...
Just peaking at five random races from last season, Chad dropped off consistently after lap 15 when compared to the top three-five at those races. Hopefully Chad works on that in 2017.
I think that the Chad Reed of 17 will be a lot fitter and more focused than the 2016 Chad Reed

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jemcee 12/29/2016 7:37pm
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What I'm quietly concerned about is could there be even more injuries? SX is more mentally draining than physically so I hope there's no crashes due to dropped levels of focus.. But looking at those SX times I don't think there were any more injuries at the longer races so it'll probably be fine
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kzizok 12/29/2016 7:37pm
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One would assume Tomac but he did have some fading issues last year. But there were other variables like injury recovery, new bike, etc. Nonetheless, it did happen.
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Nellie12 wrote:
Is this a big deal? (the change) Looking back at last years results, it doesn't seem like the time spent racing is going to be much...
Is this a big deal? (the change) Looking back at last years results, it doesn't seem like the time spent racing is going to be much different. Was this a change for TV or the average fan?
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2016 450 Mains/Elapsed Time + Lap Coount with additional laps when you go 20 min. +1 under the same conditions... A1 20:57.823 +0 SD1 16:34.006 +4...
2016 450 Mains/Elapsed Time + Lap Coount with additional laps when you go 20 min. +1 under the same conditions...

A1 20:57.823 +0
SD1 16:34.006 +4 - 5 (49.7/Lap-avg)
A2 19:25.414 +1 - 2 (58.25/Lap-avg)
Oakland 17:59.908 +3 - 4 (54/Lap-avg)
Glendale 21:06.141 +0
SD2 19:37.252 +1 - 2
Arlington 17:09.208 +3 - 4
Atlanta 15:26.334 +6 - 7 (46.3/Lap-avg...PATHETIC)
Daytona 22:09.070 +0
Toronto 18:32.119 +2 - 3
Detroit 15:53.440 +5 - 6
Santa Clara 14:38.083 +8- 9 (43.9/Lap-avg...Un-F'n-BELIEVABLE!)
Indianapolis 15:43.653 +5 - 6
St. Louis 18:14.137 +2 - 3
Foxborough 19:35.153 +1 -2
East Rutherford 15:13.858 +6 - 7
Las Vegas 21:00.243 +0
Who did the best at the longer events? Plus Tomac is stronger this year
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FlickitFlat 12/29/2016 7:52pm
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It will have some impact for sure but to predict I would have to say Tomac. I'm just going off of the opinion that if this rule would have been implemented years ago, Mike Larocco would have quit a few more race wins.
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GoggleFiend904 12/29/2016 8:21pm
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Damn i didnt consider lappers.. Roczen could benefit from that. He flys by people like they arent moving most the time. Less aggressive riders (like dungey) might be hurt by it on occasion
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MXerDW 12/29/2016 8:25pm
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It will have no impact. The fastest racers always will be on the podium. Silly
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Sully22 12/29/2016 8:48pm
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I'd go with Dungey, Tomac, and Anderson. Dungey is Dungey the diesel whether he likes the name or not, he's always up front and consistently fast....tomac gets crappy starts and will have a little more time to get up front...Anderson, well, JA21 is an animal coming through the pack and with a little more time this will benefit him.
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UpTiTe 12/29/2016 9:39pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
My picks:

Anderson
Baggett
Tomac
I agree, guys who are in good shape but don't always start up front
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bents 12/29/2016 10:25pm
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UpTiTe, you mean like the guys that train with Aldon? I kid, I kid!
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Hank_Thrill 12/29/2016 10:34pm
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I think it will benefit Mike LaRocco. He always gets bad starts but turns it on after the first turn.

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