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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 2:35pm
I thought I would copy/paste this from the Willy Musgrave post. Maybe it will help a little from a factual race view.

I have not read the article by Willy but here are a few facts of interest:

I work with 2 stroke rider (he has been fighting the 4 stroke change) who has been working towards his AMA National license.
In the pro-ams he can ride the 250 2 stroke in the 250f class and the open class (both are points races, 250f on Saturdays/Open on Sundays) these are Loretta Lynn qualifiers also.
He went 3rd overall in the 250F (crashed moto one, last to 10th, 1st moto 2) 2nd overall in the open class. track was muddy in Arizona.
He went 4th overall in the 250F (won first moto, got taken out second worked to 9th). In the 450 open main (44 riders) he placed 3rd. Comp Edge track, the conditions were excellent all day long, choppy/rough but not overly dry.

Now, if you put the 2 stroke on a dry Glen Helen track, when it is beat, the 4 stroke will pull the 2 stroke all day long just from the addtional traction and less wheel spin.
Put them on a tacky track and the 2 stroke will do ok, and yes even on the starts (if you know how to start).
From a race standpoint with conditions that are favorable the 2 stroke and 4 stroke can be brothers.
From a cost standpoint it is the 2 stroke hands down.
From a ease of riding standpoint, you must be very precise and not make mistakes with the 2 stroke, the 4 stroke is very forgiving in this area.

Now for reality, this rider will not be able to secure a ride without changing to 4 strokes and showing that he can do the same or better on the machines the teams are using.
Yes, he is breaking his new 250Fs in today.
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3/17/2011 11:18am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2011 11:22am
Unless this kid is national championship material who is he going to get a ride with anyway? This would be a valid point if we were talking about say Mookie, or a really top level prospect. But I don't have much sympathy for a nameless dude who's complaining about the world around him in his chosen profession, especially when it's been like this for the better part of the last decade. This kid knew what he'd have to race if he got to the top level. If you don't like racing 4-strokes stay an amateur, or better yet go to school. Call the OEMs and complain about their choice of product. Complaining on a forum just makes you flame bait.
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3/17/2011 11:22am
Does your rider have a name?
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3/17/2011 11:23am
Shawn,
You misinterpreted this post a little. Not a complaint, realty as it is today.
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3/17/2011 11:24am
This was not a plug for the rider, just information on the 2 stroke/4 stroke comparison, nothing more.

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3/17/2011 11:25am
MXTRAINER1 wrote:
This was not a plug for the rider, just information on the 2 stroke/4 stroke comparison, nothing more.
Guess he s nameless LOL!
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3/17/2011 11:27am
If he reaches his potential, you will know his name through his results, that is how it should be.
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3/17/2011 11:30am
What would be the benefit of Alan "outing" his rider. Half the numbnuts here would be pissing on him regardless. The way I see it is Alan is just pointing out the obvious, not really complaining about anything. 250F's on the national level are just plain expensive, anyone here really want to say that's a myth?
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3/17/2011 11:34am
newmann wrote:
What would be the benefit of Alan "outing" his rider. Half the numbnuts here would be pissing on him regardless. The way I see it is...
What would be the benefit of Alan "outing" his rider. Half the numbnuts here would be pissing on him regardless. The way I see it is Alan is just pointing out the obvious, not really complaining about anything. 250F's on the national level are just plain expensive, anyone here really want to say that's a myth?
Just a simple question, i forgot everythings a secret! My bad.
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3/17/2011 11:36am
newmann wrote:
What would be the benefit of Alan "outing" his rider. Half the numbnuts here would be pissing on him regardless. The way I see it is...
What would be the benefit of Alan "outing" his rider. Half the numbnuts here would be pissing on him regardless. The way I see it is Alan is just pointing out the obvious, not really complaining about anything. 250F's on the national level are just plain expensive, anyone here really want to say that's a myth?
mxb2 wrote:
Just a simple question, i forgot everythings a secret! My bad.
Well, you do have a point.....LOL.
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3/17/2011 11:37am
Newmann,
it is interesting how individuals interpret posts, it never ceases to amaze me.
This was not about the costs in reality, just that a rider can ride a 2 stroke throughout his amateur career but (at this time) will need to prove himself on the 4 stroke if he ever hopes to move forward.
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3/17/2011 11:41am
mxb2,
not a secret but I didn't want this to be about the athlete, I wanted it to be about facts on the 2 stroke/4 stroke comparison in an actual racing event.
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3/17/2011 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2011 12:07pm
Well it's a little silly to be honest. To make it simple this is basically complaining about the way the world works, which is pointless. I think everyone is well aware it costs more to race a 4-stroke at the top level, but Mr. Nameless grew up knowing that. And hey, don't get me wrong. I wish this kid and all kids with a dream like this the best of luck. But to get there you have to play the game. Otherwise no one will take him seriously.
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3/17/2011 12:08pm
MXTRAINER1 wrote:
mxb2, not a secret but I didn't want this to be about the athlete, I wanted it to be about facts on the 2 stroke/4 stroke...
mxb2,
not a secret but I didn't want this to be about the athlete, I wanted it to be about facts on the 2 stroke/4 stroke comparison in an actual racing event.
no worries man, wish him the best, and I just asked so i could follow the progreess he' s making!
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3/17/2011 12:24pm
I hope he get's as far as he can get on his 2T.

psssst...I heard a rumor that we jus' might have some sort of 125/150 Invitational Race.

Shhhhhh!
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3/17/2011 12:31pm
It seems kinda moronic that our professional "entry-level" class is the class that costs the most to compete in.
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3/17/2011 12:56pm
TeamGreen wrote:
I hope he get's as far as he can get on his 2T. psssst...I heard a rumor that we jus' might have some sort of 125/150...
I hope he get's as far as he can get on his 2T.

psssst...I heard a rumor that we jus' might have some sort of 125/150 Invitational Race.

Shhhhhh!
Well, at least clue me in about that as that is something I would like to lend a hand to. PM me so that it can remain a secret.....Smile
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3/17/2011 1:02pm
vet323 wrote:
It seems kinda moronic that our professional "entry-level" class is the class that costs the most to compete in.
Yeah, it defies logic. There is a huge gap that the 125's used to fill perfectly.
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3/17/2011 1:06pm
TeamGreen wrote:
I hope he get's as far as he can get on his 2T. psssst...I heard a rumor that we jus' might have some sort of 125/150...
I hope he get's as far as he can get on his 2T.

psssst...I heard a rumor that we jus' might have some sort of 125/150 Invitational Race.

Shhhhhh!
You can include me in the info as well. This would be fun and you would have a whole lot of interest. Mo details!

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